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In-Reply-To: <20100408193932.GA10217@vacation.karoshi.com.> From: William Herrin <bill@herrin.us> Date: Thu, 8 Apr 2010 16:33:11 -0400 To: bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com Cc: nanog@nanog.org Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 3:39 PM, <bmanning@vacation.karoshi.com> wrote: > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0er... you misunderstand... there is no single "DFZ" anywhe= re... > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0it is a fiction. Meh. Fiction or no, it does a suitably effective job connecting my users to my servers when and where they want to connect. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0last ebay transaction I saw was a posting by Martin Levy -= and it was > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0withdrawn after some urging by ARIN. Section 8.3 is new. Just happened last year. > Addresses are not sellable > =A0 =A0 =A0property. =A0So what would an "open market" be in... rights t= o use? > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(come to think of it, I have seen submarine cable IRUs for= sale on eBAY) The market would be for contracts to release particular blocks of addresses to ARIN for re-registration to the buyer under the terms of ARIN NRPM section 8.3. The legal fiction is that you're buying the contract, not the addresses. As for whether IP addresses will ever be sellable property... I think it serves to recall that native Americans had no concept of real estate when the Europeans first arrived. They fought the notion hard once they finally realized the settlers were serious about it. > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Ok... lets say there is a pent up supply ... =A0and no goo= d way to > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0let those with demand know the supply exists. =A0 I'll con= sider > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0acting as the "address Yenta" =A0 --- =A0 if folks have pr= efixes they > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0are not using, and would like to let others know there is = availablity, > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I'll be glad to be the "go between". Works for me. Maybe I'll drop you a line when the IANA pool finally exhausts. I have some nice real estate down in the swamp that I'm using for relatively low-value applications... > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I remember this. =A0it suffers from two primary weaknesses= : > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0) finding someone (see my address-Yenta offer above) With you volunteering, that problem is solved. See? Easy! > =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0) this only works within the ARIN region. The other regions have their own structures... NIRs and LIRs that aren't tied to ISP service and whose practices differ from the RIR, for example. Regards, Bill Herrin --=20 William D. Herrin ................ herrin@dirtside.com bill@herrin.us 3005 Crane Dr. ...................... Web: <http://bill.herrin.us/> Falls Church, VA 22042-3004
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