[124638] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: legacy /8
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Sat Apr 3 03:09:23 2010
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <9D78CBC7F28F40C5AF04DD2C8A40B25B@TAKA>
Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2010 15:52:39 -0700
To: "John Palmer \(NANOG Acct\)" <nanog2@adns.net>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
No, this is how the RIR process works. The RIRs request their next /8s =
and begin
the "cleaning" process on them several months prior to running out of =
their
previous allocations. This is done to try and make the =
allocations/assignments
from those blocks as immediately useful as possible to their customers.
I can assure you that RIRs are in the business of distributing IP =
resources within
the policy guidelines set by the community. They have no gain from =
holding or
hoarding them and are not in a position to do any such thing.
Owen
On Apr 2, 2010, at 3:48 PM, John Palmer (NANOG Acct) wrote:
> On the topic of IP4 exhaustion: 1/8, 2/8 and 5/8 have all been =
assigned in the
> last 3 months yet I don't see them being allocated out to customers =
(users) yet.
>=20
> Is this perhaps a bit of hoarding in advance of the complete depletion =
of /8's?
>=20
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Majdi S. Abbas" <msa@latt.net>
> To: "Jeroen van Aart" <jeroen@mompl.net>
> Cc: "NANOG list" <nanog@nanog.org>
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2010 4:06 PM
> Subject: Re: legacy /8
>=20
>=20
>> On Fri, Apr 02, 2010 at 02:01:45PM -0700, Jeroen van Aart wrote:
>>> I am curious. Once we're nearing exhausting all IPv4 space will
>>> there ever come a time to ask/demand/force returning all these
>>> legacy /8 allocations? I think I understand the difficulty in that,
>>> but then running out of IPs is also a difficult issue. :-)
>>> For some reason I sooner see all IPv4 space being exhausted than
>>> IPv6 being actually implemented globally.
>> Because it's no more than a delaying action. Even presuming
>> you get people to cooperate (and they really, have no incentive to
>> because they don't necessarily have any agreement covering the space
>> with the RIRs) rather than fire up their legal department....
>> A couple of /8s doesn't last long enough to really make a dent
>> in the pain. You might buy yourself a few months at most.
>> It might actually do more harm than good, by convincing people
>> that they can still get v4 space rather than worry about what they
>> are going to do in the future.
>> --msa
>>=20
>=20
