[123555] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IP4 Space
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Daniel Senie)
Wed Mar 10 22:00:46 2010
From: Daniel Senie <dts@senie.com>
In-Reply-To: <4B983C05.7030202@jsbc.cc>
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2010 22:00:32 -0500
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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Well, it's like this... there's still no native IPv6 connectivity in =
most data centers, residences, businesses or wireless, most vendors of =
networking equipment have not had a lot of mileage on their IPv6 code if =
they even have it fully working, and, frankly, the IPv6 community has =
been predicting a falling sky for so long that people just gave up =
listening. Add in a whole lot of other bits of argument that just =
exasperate those dealing with today's problems, and it's pretty easy to =
understand, if you've not been one of the ones pushing IPV6 for all =
these years, that there's a lot of listener fatigue.
Engineers don't make good salespeople. IPv6 is a good example. So we =
will wind up muddling along for several more years as the vendors shake =
out their code, routers wedge, firewalls freak out, and predictions of =
collapse are repeated daily. And to fellow engineers: we will all be =
blamed for the failure. Sorry, that's just the way it will be. Don't =
bother trying to deflect blame. Just deal with the issues, solve them as =
best you can, and move on.
On Mar 10, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Jim Burwell wrote:
> On 3/10/2010 05:06, Andy Koch wrote:
>> On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 04:55, Jens Link <lists@quux.de> wrote:
>>=20
>>> Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> writes:
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>>> denial
>>>>> anger
>>>>> bargaining
>>>>> depression
>>>>>=20
>>>> acceptance <--- My dual-stacked network and I are here.
>>>>=20
>>> So am I. But most IT people I talk to are still at the denial phase. =
And
>>> there is not much one can do about it.
>>>=20
> Denial, incredulity, and even anger have often been the reaction I get
> from IT people when I bring up IPv4 exhaustion and IPv6. I'm careful =
to
> try to be "cool" about it too, trying not to be preachy or annoying
> about it.
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> Some recent samples of IT people I talk to regularly in IRC:
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>> sam: Basically. We've had ipv6 for how many years in the UNIX world
>> and we STILL haven't switched yet ...
>> Ken: only Jim cares about IPv6
>> sam: 15 years of hype and we might get to it in another 5
>> sam: Emphasis on might
>> sam: Everything I've installed in the last 2 years has ipv6 disabled
>> Ken: i finally got an email from comcast about my participating in
>> their ipv6 trials ... haha ... TRIALS - they're still at least 2 =
years
>> out i'm sure
> I doubt I'm the only one who's run across these sorts of attitudes. =
At
> least Ken is willing to participate in the Comcast trial. :)
>=20
> IMHO, only personally experienced pain is going to push a lot of these
> sorts of people into ipv6. By pain, I mean things such as not being
> able to deploy their new service (web site, email server, VPN box,
> whatever) on the internet due to lack of ipv4 addresses, having to
> implement double NAT, CGN/LSN, or being forced to live behind such an
> arrangement ["what do you mean I can't port forward the port for my
> favorite game/new service?!?!" (yes, I know some schemes will still
> allow customer port forwards, but this will be made more difficult,
> painful, since many users will now be sharing the same publics.)]=20
>=20
> Once the "pain" hits, many will be doing crash courses in ipv6 and
> rolling it out as quickly as they can. I think it's just human =
nature. :)
>=20
> - Jim
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