[122508] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Denic (.de) blocking 6to4 nameservers (since begin feb 2010)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tore Anderson)
Mon Feb 15 18:33:23 2010
Date: Tue, 16 Feb 2010 00:32:37 +0100
From: Tore Anderson <tore.anderson@redpill-linpro.com>
To: Nathan Ward <nanog@daork.net>
In-Reply-To: <8660C2D3-3FC3-4F55-BC77-C48FBAE1D32C@daork.net>
Cc: nanOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
* Nathan Ward
> You are very unlikely to get traffic from Teredo, because:
> 1) Windows only asks for AAAA if it has non-Teredo IPv6 connectivity
> 2) When Windows has non-Teredo IPv6 connectivity and so can ask for
> AAAA, preference for reaching your web content is going to be
> non-Teredo IPv6 -> IPv4 -> Teredo, due to the prefix policy table,
> unless you have an AAAA in 2001::/32 (Teredo space), in which case it
> will prefer IPv4 -> Teredo.
>
> With 6to4, Windows hosts will ask for AAAA, and will prefer non-6to4
> IPv6 over 6to4 over IPv4. I'm a little surprised at how little 6to4
> traffic you get.
>
> Teredo gets most use when an application asks for a connection to a
> certain IPv6 address, without DNS. This is most common in peer to
> peer - you're not going to levels of web traffic and P2P traffic
> using Teredo that are comparable ratios to IPv4.
When it comes to HTTP traffic, that's not always the case: The Opera
web browser in all recent versions will unconditionally prefer IPv6
(including Teredo and 6to4) over IPv4. Since Windows Vista and newer
automatically configure Teredo and/or 6to4, this is the biggest single
reason for regular clients being unable to access dualstacked websites
here in Norway, according to my measurements (which are done in a
similar fashion to yours). In case you're interested, I've been posting
reports to the ipv6-ops list about it for a few months now:
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.ipv6/2636
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.ipv6/2683
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.ipv6/2764
http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.org.operators.ipv6/2908
Opera has fortunately improved the behaviour in their next version
(10.50) by simply using getaddrinfo() on Windows. It is due to be
released in a month or two - hopefully then I'll be able to talk some of
my customers into dualstacking their content.
Best regards,
--
Tore Anderson
Redpill Linpro AS - http://www.redpill-linpro.com/
Tel: +47 21 54 41 27
