[121203] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Re: SORBS on autopilot?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Martin Hotze)
Wed Jan 13 03:08:08 2010
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 09:07:28 +0100
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1921.1263318388.817.nanog@nanog.org>
From: "Martin Hotze" <martin@hotze.com>
To: <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Oh well,
there's an approach where one splits users into "residential" and
"business", meaning that "residential" is only downloading, surfing,
... without need of providing any services "back" to the 'net. At
least with IPv6 one has to rethink this position as there finally is
end-to-end communication and everybody with a limited upload bandwidth
can multicast his content to half of the world (crossing fingers).
inetnum: 82.150.208.0 - 82.150.208.255
netname: AT-HOTZE-NET
descr: hotze.com GmbH
descr: DSL wholesale
country: AT
Our position is that we sell internet access at the IP level, a pure
IP pipe - nothing less and nothing more. The customer can have his own
PTR-record with a name matching his domain, he can set up a server or
not. All IPs are static (no need to hassle with DHCP pools, matching
IP to time&date to user for law enforcment). Every customer is served
the same according to his service plan. And we don't make any
decisions wether the customer is "residential" or "business" - simple
as that. I won't feel happy with an ISP who wants to make this
decision for me.
greetings, martin
AS8596 / hotze.com GmbH / Austria
> -----Original Message-----
> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2010 12:42:58 -0500
> From: Steven Champeon <schampeo@hesketh.com>
> Subject: Re: SORBS on autopilot?
> To: nanog@nanog.org
(...)
> just to pick a few. At the very least, customer-assigned blocks
ought to
> have a SWIP and a comment showing whether they're dynamic or static,
> residential or business class, and so forth. A surprising example,
given
> the paucity of such examples in the .pl TLD, is dialog.net.pl, which
does
> exactly that:
>=20
> inetnum: 87.105.24.0 - 87.105.24.255
> netname: DIALOGNET
> descr: Static Broadband Services
> descr: Telefonia Dialog S.A. - Dialog Telecom
> country: PL
>=20
> inetnum: 62.87.215.0 - 62.87.215.255
> netname: DIALOGNET
> descr: Dynamic Broadband Services
> descr: Telefonia Dialog S.A. - Dialog Telecom
> country: PL
>=20
> So, if the Poles (well, some Poles) can do it, why can't we simply
end
> the endless back and forth over why SORBS is evil, and start
adopting
> sane and clear naming conventions for PTRs? Given how easy it is to
> modify a $GENERATE statement, I should think you've spent far more
> energy on arguing about why you're being wronged than it would have
> taken to fix your problem.
