[120700] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: RBN and it's spin-offs
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tomas L. Byrnes)
Thu Dec 31 00:47:57 2009
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 21:47:18 -0800
In-Reply-To: <6cd462c00912302012v773dba48x66a01c90b9c6590@mail.gmail.com>
From: "Tomas L. Byrnes" <tomb@byrneit.net>
To: "Paul Ferguson" <fergdawgster@gmail.com>,
"Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf@dessus.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
He's also assuming that US on-shore law applies, which it doesn't when
any one party is a non-US person, at which point it passes to the real
of National Security.
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From: Paul Ferguson [mailto:fergdawgster@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 8:12 PM
To: Keith Medcalf
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: RBN and it's spin-offs
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On Wed, Dec 30, 2009 at 8:05 PM, Keith Medcalf <kmedcalf@dessus.com>
wrote:
>
> Without a warrant, there is an absolute right to privacy.
> It continues to exist right up until either (a) one party chooses
> to give up that privacy or (b) a third party arrives with a Court
> Order. This is simply a covenant between two parties to preserve
> that "private" state unless lawfully compelled by lawful process
> otherwise. In other words, a covenant to adhere to the rule of
> law and the courts in the event of any dispute between the parties
> or any third party. It sure seems like a good thing to me -- and a
> covenant I would hope anyone I do business adheres to.
>
That's funny.
You're assuming that the MLAT [1] process works -- it doesn't.
- - ferg
[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutual_Legal_Assistance_Treaty
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"Fergie", a.k.a. Paul Ferguson
Engineering Architecture for the Internet
fergdawgster(at)gmail.com
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