[120688] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: RBN and it's spin-offs
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Keith Medcalf)
Wed Dec 30 23:06:00 2009
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2009 23:05:19 -0500
In-Reply-To: <bb0e440a0912301848y260b398dg51006bf83f614955@mail.gmail.com>
From: "Keith Medcalf" <kmedcalf@dessus.com>
To: "Suresh Ramasubramanian" <ops.lists@gmail.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
>>> Reportedly started by someone operating under the name
>>> "Flyman," RBN is known as the mother of cybercrime among
>>> online investigators. Fran=E7ois Paget, senior expert for
>>> the McAfee company, says that RBN began as an Internet
>>> provider and offered "impenetrable" hosting for $600 a
>>> month. This meant a guarantee that it would not give
>>> out information about its clients, no matter what
>>> business they were in.
>> This is a commendable position and one that should be the
>> default for all businesses. =A0Severe penalties (such as cutting
>> out of the tongue or cutting off hands) should be dealt to
>> anyone who releases private information without having first
>> ensured that such disclosure is in accordance with a properly
>> obtained court order issued by a competent court in a public
>> hearing (and no, administrative tribunals are not courts of law).
> Wow. I always knew there existed some alternate universe where the
> RBN were actually the good guys. Didn't expect to find it so fast,
> and on nanog at that.
Wasn't it Larry Flynt that said: "Because if its good enough to
protect a scumbag like me its sure darn good enough to protect
all of you".
Without a warrant, there is an absolute right to privacy.
It continues to exist right up until either (a) one party chooses
to give up that privacy or (b) a third party arrives with a Court
Order. This is simply a covenant between two parties to preserve
that "private" state unless lawfully compelled by lawful process
otherwise. In other words, a covenant to adhere to the rule of
law and the courts in the event of any dispute between the parties
or any third party. It sure seems like a good thing to me -- and a
covenant I would hope anyone I do business adheres to.
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