[117927] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Dutch ISPs to collaborate and take responsibility
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (mark [at] edgewire)
Tue Oct 6 12:09:12 2009
From: "mark [at] edgewire" <mark@edgewire.sg>
In-Reply-To: <86DFAA44-272B-4490-BA14-DD1A470D8A87@delong.com>
Date: Wed, 7 Oct 2009 00:08:17 +0800
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
The end problem is still users and really, these users will click on
anything that has a bright and shiny button which says, Ok. Really,
does setting up a portal help? Perhaps a "sandboxed" area which has
some information on securing their machine and keeping it clean may be
the way to go but how much more of a resource will it chew up?
Best regards,
Mark
On 06-Oct-2009, at 11:56 PM, Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:20 AM, Eugeniu Patrascu wrote:
>
>> Gadi Evron wrote:
>>> Barton F Bruce wrote:
>>>> Stopping the abuse is fine, but cutting service to the point that
>>>> a family
>>>> using VOIP only for their phone service can't call 911 and
>>>> several children
>>>> burn to death could bring all sorts of undesirable regulation let
>>>> alone the
>>>> bad press and legal expenses.
>>>
>>> While a legitimate concern it's also a red herring, as it's a
>>> technical problem looking for a technical solution.
>>>
>>> Gadi.
>>>
>> I think the need for someone being able to call 911 from their VoIP
>> outweighs your right to claim that they should be disconnected from
>> the Internet.
>>
>>
>> Besides, if that provider wants to help out, he might setup a
>> captive portal or something with information regarding tools to
>> clean their computer.
>
> I disagree... Distributed Denials of Service have gotten to the
> point where they can actually endanger
> lives. Think about this... In order to be able to make your 911
> VOIP call, the VOIP provider has to
> be able to process your call. The system that is getting
> disconnected because it is an active source
> of abuse may be one of many participating in a DOS against someone
> elses 911 VOIP provider.
> Removing them from the internet could be saving more lives than it
> risks.
>
> Someone else pointed out that if the system in question has been
> botted/owned/pwn3d/whatever
> you want to call it, then, you can't guarantee it would make the 911
> call correctly anyway.
>
> Owen
>
>
