[116521] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: DNS hardening, was Re: Dan Kaminsky
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Florian Weimer)
Thu Aug 6 03:33:44 2009
To: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@bfk.de>
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2009 07:32:50 +0000
In-Reply-To: <20090805164823.43774.qmail@simone.iecc.com> (John Levine's
message of "5 Aug 2009 16\:48\:23 -0000")
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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* John Levine:
> 3) Random case in queries, e.g. GooGLe.CoM
This does not work well without additional changes because google.com
can be spoofed with responses to 123352123.com (or even 123352123.).
Unbound strives to implement the necessary changes, some of which are
also required if you want to use DNSSEC to compensate for lack of
channel security. As far as I know (and Paul will certainly correct
me), the necessary changes are not present in current BIND releases.
> 4) Ask twice (with different values for the first three hacks) and
> compare the answers
There is a protocol proposal to cope with fluctuating data, but I'm
not aware that anyone has expressed interest in implementing it.
Basically, the idea is to reduce caching for such data, so that
successful spoofing attacks have less amplification effect.
> I presume everyone is doing the first two. Any experience with the
> other two to report?
0x20 has alleged interoperability issues. It's also not such a simple
upgrade as it was initially thought, so the trade-off is rather poor
for existing resolver code bases.
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