[116184] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Nanog mentioned on BBC news website
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Marshall Eubanks)
Fri Jul 24 19:26:34 2009
From: Marshall Eubanks <tme@americafree.tv>
To: Patrick W. Gilmore <patrick@ianai.net>
In-Reply-To: <E56FA1A7-7B97-404C-9DFC-C33128D85253@ianai.net>
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2009 19:25:44 -0400
Cc: North American Operators' Group <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Jul 23, 2009, at 4:50 PM, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
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> Sent from my iPhone, please excuse any errors.
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2009, at 4:27, Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
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>> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>>> My fav part:
>>> <quote>
>>> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes
>>> in a
>>> many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data
>>> around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original
>>> sender or to the receiver."
>>> </quote>
>>>
>>> How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
>>
>> in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no
>> link to
>> the sender or receiver. my packets from office to home can
>> traverse at 3
>> or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.
>>
>> they likely have contracts or obligations with their immediate
>> neighbours,
>> which is basically why the system continues to work.
>
> I honestly expected someone to mention this when I wrote the
> original post, but I had hopes no one would. :-)
>
> It is clear the intent of the TED speaker was the intermediaries
> were transiting packets out of the good of their hearts.
>
> Allow me to illustrate:
>
> The postal system is amazing! You can mail a letter from the US to
> England and the "intermediate" carrier will deliver the mail even
> though they have NO contract with you or the recipient! How awesome
> is that?
>
> This is not fantasy. You give it to the USPS, who will hand it to
> DHL, who will hand it to Royal Mail, who will hand it to the
> recipient. Does _anyone_ comment on the lack of your contract with
> DHL? Is anyone surprised it still works? Is it worthy of a TED talk?
>
You obviously don't understand the executive briefings industry !
Regards
Marshall
> --
> TTFN,
> patrick
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