[116165] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Nanog mentioned on BBC news website
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Winn Johnston)
Thu Jul 23 17:18:31 2009
From: Winn Johnston <WJohnston@induscorp.com>
To: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 17:18:07 -0400
In-Reply-To: <3c3e3fca0907231338xf5efadfo75de38314f2f5634@mail.gmail.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Very=20well=20put=20Bill=20:)
Winn=20Johnston
Linux=20Systems=20Administrator=20
________________________________________
From:=20William=20Herrin=20[herrin-nanog@dirtside.com]
Sent:=20Thursday,=20July=2023,=202009=204:38=20PM
To:=20Jim=20Mercer
Cc:=20NANOG=20list
Subject:=20Re:=20Nanog=20mentioned=20on=20BBC=20news=20website
On=20Thu,=20Jul=2023,=202009=20at=207:27=20AM,=20Jim=20Mercer<jim@reptiles=
.org>=20wrote:
>=20On=20Wed,=20Jul=2022,=202009=20at=2008:44:21PM=20-0400,=20Patrick=20W.=
=20Gilmore=20wrote:
>>=20My=20fav=20part:
>>=20<quote>
>>=20"That's=20precisely=20how=20packets=20move=20around=20the=20internet,=
=20sometimes=20in=20a
>>=20many=20as=2025=20or=2030=20hops=20with=20the=20intervening=20entities=
=20passing=20the=20data
>>=20around=20having=20no=20contractual=20or=20legal=20obligation=20to=20t=
he=20original
>>=20sender=20or=20to=20the=20receiver."
>>=20</quote>
>>
>>=20How=20many=20of=20you=20pass=20packets=20without=20getting=20paid?
>
>=20in=20the=20case=20of=20intervening=20entities,=20it=20is=20true=20that=
=20they=20have=20no=20link=20to
>=20the=20sender=20or=20receiver.=20=20my=20packets=20from=20office=20to=20=
home=20can=20traverse=20at=203
>=20or=20more=20networks=20that=20are=20not=20paid=20by=20me,=20or=20my=20=
company.
If=20I=20pay=20you=20to=20send=20my=20packets=20and=20you=20pay=20bob=20to=
=20send=20my=20packets
then=20I=20have=20paid=20bob=20to=20send=20my=20packets.=20Transitive=20pr=
operty=20of
payment.=20;-)
'Couse=20bob=20doesn't=20pay=20claire=20anything=20but=20denise=20pays=20c=
laire=20to
receive=20packets=20for=20denise,=20my=20packets=20are=20intended=20for=20=
denise=20and=20bob
and=20claire=20have=20a=20peering=20agreement=20in=20which=20they=20agree=20=
to=20swap
already-paid=20traffic=20directly=20rather=20than=20both=20paying=20ed=20t=
o=20do=20it=20for
them.
So=20it=20ain't=20free=20and=20at=20each=20step=20there=20is=20a=20contrac=
tual=20obligation=20to
at=20least=20one=20of=20the=20sender=20or=20receiver.
Regards,
Bill
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William=20D.=20Herrin=20................=20herrin@dirtside.com=20=20bill@h=
errin.us
3005=20Crane=20Dr.=20......................=20Web:=20<http://bill.herrin.u=
s/>
Falls=20Church,=20VA=2022042-3004
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