[116163] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Nanog mentioned on BBC news website
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (William Herrin)
Thu Jul 23 16:39:20 2009
In-Reply-To: <20090723112726.GB68894@reptiles.org>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 16:38:24 -0400
From: William Herrin <herrin-nanog@dirtside.com>
To: Jim Mercer <jim@reptiles.org>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Jim Mercer<jim@reptiles.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 08:44:21PM -0400, Patrick W. Gilmore wrote:
>> My fav part:
>> <quote>
>> "That's precisely how packets move around the internet, sometimes in a
>> many as 25 or 30 hops with the intervening entities passing the data
>> around having no contractual or legal obligation to the original
>> sender or to the receiver."
>> </quote>
>>
>> How many of you pass packets without getting paid?
>
> in the case of intervening entities, it is true that they have no link to
> the sender or receiver. =A0my packets from office to home can traverse at=
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> or more networks that are not paid by me, or my company.
If I pay you to send my packets and you pay bob to send my packets
then I have paid bob to send my packets. Transitive property of
payment. ;-)
'Couse bob doesn't pay claire anything but denise pays claire to
receive packets for denise, my packets are intended for denise and bob
and claire have a peering agreement in which they agree to swap
already-paid traffic directly rather than both paying ed to do it for
them.
So it ain't free and at each step there is a contractual obligation to
at least one of the sender or receiver.
Regards,
Bill
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