[115531] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: tor - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Thu Jun 25 13:41:47 2009
Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2009 18:38:29 +0100
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
To: "Jack Bates" <jbates@brightok.net>,
"Suresh Ramasubramanian" <ops.lists@gmail.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
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From: Jack Bates [mailto:jbates@brightok.net]
Sent: Thu 6/25/2009 2:39 PM
To: Suresh Ramasubramanian
Cc: NANOG list
Subject: [SPAM-HEADER] - Re: tor - Email has different SMTP TO: and MIME =
TO: fields in the email addresses
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Suresh Ramasubramanian wrote:
> ISPs are not common carriers. Geoff Huston is - as always - the guy
> who explains it best.
> =
http://www.cisco.com/web/about/ac123/ac147/archived_issues/ipj_5-3/uncomm=
on_carrier.html
>=20
Except interestingly, TOR is the common carrier at its best, not=20
filtering and investigating the use of the packets being transfered.
The cause for saying an ISP is not a common carrier is the handling of=20
abuse of the network, which could still be argued as common carrier in=20
that the effects of spam, port scans, etc do have an impact on an ISP if =
they go unchecked and watch other networks filter them out. In addition, =
there are plenty of laws designed to protect customer privacy in the=20
government's attempt to provide common carrier status for an ISP.
DMCA also attempts to preserve common carrier for the ISP, requiring the =
ISP to extend a level of trust and act in specific a manner to maintain=20
those protections.
I don't think any of it is perfect, and it will take time for government =
to catch up to understanding how the Internet can be handled.
Jack
Agreed. The current regulatory framework, which says that ISPs provide =
'enhanced services' is specious. IP is not an enhanced service, it is =
just a transport protocol, albeit a very popular one because the =
interfaces are cheap and it embraces routing.=20
As I vaguely recollect, the enhanced service definition came up as way =
of preventing Telcos from completing dominating the ISP world.=20
Regards,=20
Roderick.=20
