[113547] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Wed Apr 15 10:55:46 2009
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2009 15:47:17 +0100
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
To: <frnkblk@iname.com>, <joel.mercado@verizon.net>,
"Wallace Keith" <kwallace@pcconnection.com>, <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Adjacent cities is not what the long haul providers generally do.=20
My clients want Chicago Equinix to Frankfurt Interxion or Chicago =
Equinix to 60 Hudson. Not Pittsburgh to Cleveland.=20
The capex for those services is many hundreds of thousands of dollars.=20
Consider all cards required to a provide a protected 10 gig wave service =
when you have substantial DWDM infrastructure. Not only regen huts, but =
the POPs in between the desired end points. We have lots of regen huts =
and POPs in between Chicago and NYC.=20
You can't built protection with only four 10 gig wave cards on most =
routes.=20
To take the point further, if you are building a TransAtlantic circuit, =
you're going to need cards at every landing station. If you have two =
landing stations on both sides of the Atlantic, then you are talking =
eight cards. Hmmm ...
Every span has to be protected.=20
And it doesn't make sense usually to be put in separate platforms to =
reduce the capex involved in those rings.=20
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
13-15, rue Sedaine, 75011 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.=20
French Landline: 33+1+4355+8224
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
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``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Bulk [mailto:frnkblk@iname.com]
Sent: Wed 4/15/2009 2:08 PM
To: Rod Beck; joel.mercado@verizon.net; Wallace Keith; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area
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That's funny, because our company is a (very small) LEC and a member of =
a
(small) regional network, and we've been asked by a larger consortium to
give them protected 10-Gig waves between two cities. It's not been a
problem to find DWDM vendors that can do that.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Rod Beck [mailto:Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:39 AM
To: joel.mercado@verizon.net; Wallace Keith; nanog@nanog.org
Subject: Re: Diversity - was: Fiber cut in SF area
That service is probably very expensive. =20
There is no known way to provide cheap 10 wave protection. Not carrier
grade. Protected 10 GigE service (LAN PHY 10 GigE) will tolerate a very =
high
BER before switching. And the cost of switching STM64 is very high as =
well.=20
Bottom line is that it will cost more than two diversely routed 10 gig
waves.=20
There is no real market for protected 10 gig waves. Occasionally a bank =
will
request the service, but backoff as soon as they see the price tag.=20
"Hopefully none of these customers had service and protect ckts that =
went
down... I would be pissed as a ceo if that happen to my company. =
Hopefully
level3's new service offering is 100@percent redundant as stated
The new service offerings include: - Protected Wavelengths: Level 3 now
provides automatic protection-switching to a dedicated diversely routed
wavelength in the event of a network failure. The protection switch, =
fully
automated and managed by Level 3, happens at switching speeds =
approaching
SONET restoration times. The single interface to the customer requires =
no
additional capital cost for customer optical ports, and the diverse
restoration path is fixed and fully known to the customer. These =
features
allow customers to achieve fast restoration with predictable performance =
in
their network without adding significant cost and routing complexity. -"
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
13-15, rue Sedaine, 75011 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
