[112812] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Redundant AS's
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Hank Nussbacher)
Thu Mar 19 01:51:43 2009
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2009 07:50:36 +0200
To: goemon@anime.net
From: Hank Nussbacher <hank@efes.iucc.ac.il>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0903181240090.26728@sasami.anime.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
At 12:40 PM 18-03-09 -0700, goemon@anime.net wrote:
>On Wed, 18 Mar 2009, Hank Nussbacher wrote:
>>At 08:18 AM 18-03-09 +0100, Henk Uijterwaal wrote:
>>>>It's a bit dated now, but the RIPE report, ASN MIA, sounds like what
>>>>you're looking for...
>>>>www.apnic.net/meetings/21/docs/sigs/routing/routing-pres-uijterwaal-asn-mia.ppt
>>>>
>>>When I look at this more recently, the conclusion still seems to be
>>>valid: we'll run out of 16 bit ASN's somewhere in 2011 to 2013. There
>>>are a lot of unused ASN's out there. Recovering them will postpone the
>>>problem by a few years but it won't solve it. The basic problem with
>>>recovery is how to decide if an ASN is really no longer used/needed.
>>>There is (still) no mechanism to do this.
>>>Henk
>>Why not go after low lying fruit first? If an ASN was assigned years ago
>>and hasn't appeared in the RIB for the past year that ASN should be
>>reclaimed. Send warning emails to the registered contacts as well as to
>>the assigning LIR and after 3 months - just reclaim it.
>
>How about just nailing everyone who has invalid contact info? That would
>certainly be incentive to get it updated. Nothing else seems to work.
>
>-Dan
How about making it financially worth it? RIRs charge for resources - like
IPs and ASNs:
http://www.ripe.net/ripe/docs/charging2009.html
1 ASN = /21 in money terms. It takes me about 3-5 hours of work to track
down and get an old unused ASN to be deallocated. How about updating the
2010 charging model so that LIRs that return ASNs are compensated?
-Hank
