[109871] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Netblock reassigned from Chile to US ISP...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Martin List-Petersen)
Fri Dec 12 18:56:52 2008
Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2008 23:56:46 +0000
From: Martin List-Petersen <martin@airwire.ie>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <060F3B30-0EE6-439A-8098-66499BE6FD78@delong.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Owen DeLong wrote:
>
> On Dec 12, 2008, at 3:14 PM, Nathan Stratton wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 12 Dec 2008, Joe Abley wrote:
>>
>>> On 2008-12-12, at 15:02, Martin List-Petersen wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's a misconception of some muppets, especially in IT related
>>>> products, that forget, that a lot or IT professionals do travel all
>>>> over the world and usually have a credit card in their home country.
>>>> Pure and utter nonsense.
>>>
>>> Or perhaps the hassle of dealing with stolen US credit card numbers
>>> from clients outside the US costs far more money than you could hope
>>> to make back with the purchases of US nationals travelling overseas?
>>>
>>> Could well be muppets, but surely there are other possibilities.
>>
>> Sad but true, we have had to turn off signups outside the US because
>> of that very problem. Yes, I am sure we lose some sales, but in
>> general it is not worth the fraud costs.
>
> Why don't the fraudsters just use Open US Proxies?
>
You can be sure, that the people wanting to defraud merchants know all
these tricks and use them. The verified by visa password option is a far
better solution, but I've not seen many US merchants supporting that yet.
Instead they're relying on outdated geoip data or ask people to fax a
copy of their credit card.
/Martin
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