[109557] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: an over-the-top data center
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=A5ns_Nilsson?=)
Mon Dec 1 11:07:30 2008
Date: Mon, 01 Dec 2008 17:06:46 +0100
From: =?UTF-8?Q?M=C3=A5ns_Nilsson?= <mansaxel@besserwisser.org>
To: "Patrick W. Gilmore" <patrick@ianai.net>,
NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
In-Reply-To: <37F77B99-B3D9-421D-AA04-DAEBCF94F9BC@ianai.net>
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--On m=C3=A5ndag, m=C3=A5ndag 1 dec 2008 09.08.09 -0500 "Patrick W. =
Gilmore"
<patrick@ianai.net> wrote:
> I don't think any IXP can become a significant player on the Internet
> today by only attracting participants from the country in question. The
> Internet is not bound by political borders. (Usually. :)
There is a significant amount of traffic being exchanged between swedish
operators on Netnod. It might be the case that the broadband penetration in
Sweden justifies the establishment of local IXPen.=20
This is however irrelevant to the discussion at hand -- or did you think
about some kind of issue with connectivity from Stockholm and abroad? At
least 3-4 providers sell connectivity into Stockholm on own fiber paths. Is
Netnod useless to you because you are not one of them?=20
=20
> As for the blasting of tunnels and national security angle, this is an
> IXP, not nuclear missile launch control. It should not be your only
> vector to get bits from point A to B. And if it is, then you have a
> larger problem than worrying about the facility withstanding physical
> attack.
It is an optimisation, a very well engineered one.=20
=20
> And no, attaching to multiple NetNod nodes is not a solution, since only
> Stockholm has a large number of participants.
Probably true for international clients. Less so for Swedish ISPen.=20
> End of day, an IXP is not some magical thing. It is an ethernet switch
> allowing multiple networks to exchange traffic more easily than direct
> interconnection - and that is all it should be. It should not be mission
> critical. Treating it as such raises the cost, and therefore barrier to
> entry, which lowers its value.
You did not answer my question on usability of fiber based on amount of
knowledge about where it is.=20
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M=C3=A5ns Nilsson M A C H I N A
There's a little picture of ED MCMAHON doing BAD THINGS to JOAN RIVERS
in a $200,000 MALIBU BEACH HOUSE!!
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