[109298] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: [funsec] McColo: Major Source of Online Scams and
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Frank Bulk)
Fri Nov 14 18:42:04 2008
From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk@iname.com>
To: <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <355c7d900811121144v77b23a55n41ed14dc2b54f1f@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2008 17:41:55 -0600
Reply-To: frnkblk@iname.com
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Don't confuse contract enforcement with law enforcement. The word =
"lynching" or "vigilante" suggests that the enforcer of "justice" is =
breaking the law. But there's no indication that the service providers =
who've cut their customers off have done anything but follow the =
provisions in their contracts.
As said elsewhere, contract enforcement is generally more effective.
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Ross [mailto:algorythm@gmail.com]=20
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 1:45 PM
To: Nick Newman
Cc: nanog@merit.edu; Kee Hinckley
Subject: Re: [funsec] McColo: Major Source of Online Scams and Spams =
KnockedOffline (fwd)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2008 at 14:16, Nick Newman <NNewman@nw3c.org> wrote:
> How many cops does it take to throw a community lynching?
>
None.
The question that remains is: Why is the community having to resort to =
lynching?
Following the metaphor and using the US "Old West" as an example,
lynchings were largely due to one of the following:
* a lack of organized law enforcement
* a lack of effective law enforcement
* an outraged mob following the lead of a few with their own agenda
in the heat of some moment
I don't think the latter point applies (though some have argued it
very much does). The former two points though very much do IMO, and I
think this was the point Kee was making. To put it another way:
How can we as network operators help law enforcement become more
organized and effective such that lynchings are no longer needed?
I'm not convinced there's an adequate answer to that question given
the current structure of "the internet", and the nature of how things
work.
( I suppose there's room in there for an argument that community
lynchings are the most effective way to deal with the problems that
arise, though I don't think such is the case. )
--
Jason
