[108950] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: routing around Sprint's depeering damage
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Lindb=E4ck?=)
Sun Nov 2 14:09:37 2008
In-Reply-To: <200811021610.mA2GA3hG086391@aurora.sol.net>
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anders_Lindb=E4ck?= <list-only@dnz.se>
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2008 20:09:18 +0100
To: Joe Greco <jgreco@ns.sol.net>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I am well aware how retarded this sounds to an average end-user, and =20
for that I am glad I am not in a buisness where I need to explain it =20
to them. But experience gained working for a party involved in a =20
previus Cogent spat I am well aware of what the SLAs and service sold =20=
is.
You can change provider, ask for compensation due to degraded service =20=
and what not, your service is still not defined as delivery to all of =20=
the Internet and nothing changes that fact..
But this discussion is going nowhere, and I dont really care about it =20=
either since a difference between what you buy and what you tought =20
you bought is not really my problem.. :)
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Anders Lindb=E4ck
anders.lindback@dnz.se
On 2 nov 2008, at 17.10, Joe Greco wrote:
>> Nice interpretation of my statement..
>>
>> A reasonable effort and a contractual guarantee are two different
>> things, a reasonable effort could be defined as economicly feasable
>> for instance.
>
> "Economically feasible?"
>
> If it isn't economically feasible, then repair your pricing model =20
> so that
> it becomes economically feasible.
>
> In some locales, it is actually illegal to sell for below cost.
>
>> My point was that in Cogents case this is really a force majeure
>> situation and in Sprints case unless you have a contract that defines
>> an SLA with delivery to "the entire Internet" or something similar
>> you do not really have case to break your contract or sue due to the
>> de-peering as a breach of contract from Sprints side..
>
> So each and every customer has to negotiate with the Internet Service
> Provider to guarantee access to "the entire Internet"? You can't just
> approach an "Internet Service Provider" and expect that they provide
> you with the capability to connect to the Internet?
>
> When was the last time you went to a car dealership, bought a car, and
> they didn't include the gas tank, or tires, or seatbelts? "Oh, yeah,
> we've determined that it's economically more feasible to provide your
> car without a steering wheel. You can buy a different brand of car =20=
> across
> the street if you happened to need a steering wheel."
>
> Do you begin to understand how retarded this sort of thing sounds =20
> to the
> average consumer?
>
> ... JG
> --=20
> Joe Greco - sol.net Network Services - Milwaukee, WI - http://=20
> www.sol.net
> "We call it the 'one bite at the apple' rule. Give me one chance =20
> [and] then I
> won't contact you again." - Direct Marketing Ass'n position on e-=20
> mail spam(CNN)
> With 24 million small businesses in the US alone, that's way too =20
> many apples.
