[108174] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: the Intercage mess
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Bambenek)
Wed Sep 24 22:21:32 2008
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 21:20:59 -0500
From: John Bambenek <bambenek@gmail.com>
CC: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <20080924133743.944847809@relayer.avian.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
When there is no law to speak of all that is left is tribal justice.
That doesn't make the problem the tribe, the real problem is the
lawlessness.
It would much rather prefer that we find a way to not let ISPs
externalize their "costs" in taking money from bad people who do nothing
but cause problems for the rest of us.
j
*Hobbit* wrote:
> While it's good to see some community effort going toward slapping
> a lid on misbehaving sources, how about a little consistency in
> the bigger picture?
>
> Consider this sort of scenario: An ISP allows its infrastructure
> to emit spam and host compromised machines to harbor malware and
> facilitate crime and botnets. Its abuse mailbox is a black hole
> that is provably ignored. All reasonable efforts to get the problem
> fixed fail. Network operators band together and deroute the ISP's
> blocks, forcing them to either clean up their act or find something
> else to do with their time. Internet death penalty, simple enough.
>
> If this happened to some of the other major sources of crap that
> I'm thinking of, it would make the freaking NATIONAL NEWS. Where's
> the BACKBONE to go after the real high-volume sources, rather than
> continuing to kick sand in the face of some podunk little guy who
> can no longer defend himself?
>
> _H*
>
>
