[108124] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Russell Mitchell)
Wed Sep 24 05:33:10 2008
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 02:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: Russell Mitchell <russm2k8@yahoo.com>
To: michael.dillon@bt.com, nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Hello Michael,=0A=0ATHANK YOU for the Intervention.=0A=0AIf anyone would li=
ke to continue the chats,=A0drop me an email, and we can continue talks OFF=
NANOG.=0A=0AThank you all very much for your time and careful consideratio=
n into the issues we're having. Have a great day.=0A=A0---=0ARussell Mitche=
ll=0A=0AInterCage, Inc.=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: "mic=
hael.dillon@bt.com" <michael.dillon@bt.com>=0ATo: nanog@nanog.org=0ASent: W=
ednesday, September 24, 2008 2:23:01 AM=0ASubject: RE: YAY! Re: Atrivo/Inte=
rcage: NO Upstream depeer=0A=0A> It is clear to me -- at least -- that this=
entire criminal =0A> operation is being operated out of Eastern Europe, an=
d their =0A> foothold in the U.S. is the major issue here.=0A=0AIf you beli=
eve that this is a criminal operation then you=0Ashould keep this discussio=
n OFF THE LIST and discourage=0Aanyone from taking any action against the b=
ad guys that=0Amight disrupt evidence gathering. If this is a criminal=0Ama=
tter, then it is best to keep quiet, collect good evidence,=0Aand go to cou=
rt. Better to get a court injunction ordering=0Athem to stop sending malwar=
e, and then collect evidence=0Ashowing that they violated the injunction. T=
o do this,=0Athey need to have functioning upstream connections to your=0An=
etwork.=0A=0ANANOG is not the place to discuss these things.=0A=0ANone of t=
his is network operational. The whole discussion=0Aamounts to a shouting ma=
tch between vigilantes and their=0Avictims. Some of those victims might als=
o be bad guys, but=0Aa shouting match on NANOG does not prove this one way =
or=0Athe other.=0A=0A--Michael Dillon=0A=0A=0A
