[107982] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Russell Mitchell)
Sun Sep 21 19:22:23 2008
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:21:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: Russell Mitchell <russm2k8@yahoo.com>
To: Matt Jonkman <jonkman@jonkmans.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Matt:=0AI've already put this offer up. I'll be more then happy to meet up =
at our datacenter=A0and take you=A0through our space.=0AWhat I find funny i=
s, your the first one=A0whom participated in the recent reports to actually=
take up and respond to=A0us.=0AI've emailed Garth and=A0Jart, and both of =
them refused to respond.=0A=0AI emailed both of them requesting the same in=
formation they gave to Directi. If they were able to provide Directi with a=
list of 20,000+ domains=A0from their control that were abusive, why can't =
they provide US directly with a single 1?=0A=0AThen, release a joint-statem=
ent talking about how the=A0companies need to come together to combat the a=
busive activities across the net,=A0yet when we=A0extend our hand and open =
up our network, we don't even get a response!=0A=0ADirecti went from being =
a "partner in crime" with us to being a great anti-abuse supporting company=
.. How can YOU claim that WE don't do anything, if you won't report your fin=
dings in the first place? Got recent stuff? Why=A0are you willing to give i=
t now that we're OFFLINE? What can we do about=A0it NOW at this very minute=
?=0A=0AYou tell me when your going to be in San Francisco, and I'll make my=
self available.=0A=0AThank you for your time. Have a great day.=0A=A0---=0A=
Russell Mitchell=0A=0AInterCage, Inc.=0A=0AP.S. I just realized all my resp=
onses to earlier people like Gadi and them were direct and not cc to NANOG.=
Will "Reply to all" now :)=0A=0A=0A=0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: =
Matt Jonkman <jonkman@jonkmans.com>=0ATo: Russell Mitchell <russm2k8@yahoo.=
com>=0ACc: nanog@nanog.org=0ASent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 4:02:15 PM=0A=
Subject: Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer=0A=0ARussell Mitchell wro=
te:=0A> -----=0A> =0A> Matt:=0A> It's very sad that your PROUD of you contr=
ibution to the supposed "white paper" on our company. I'd like to know, was=
any of your "contribution" to the report altered, or mis-represented, or a=
re you truly unaware of how false the information you provided was?=0A> Car=
e to have verified it? or are you a Spamhaus admin like John Reid who has t=
hat magic stick to make a claim and attack anyone who objects to it with th=
e truth?=0A=0AI'd love to, but nanog isn't the place. I'll be in san fran i=
n the near=0Afuture. Lets sit down over a beer, I'll bring the research and=
you can=0Alook it over yourself. That would be far more productive than th=
is. I=0Athink a few other folks would love to meet up with you as well. May=
be=0AEmil can join us too?=0A=0AIt's easy to insinuate from behind a keyboa=
rd. Lets get down to facts.=0A=0ABut take this off nanog. This is NOT the p=
lace for it. Let me know when=0Ayou'l be in town, I'll schedule my travel i=
n that direction to meet up soon.=0A=0AMatt=0A=0A-- =0A--------------------=
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29-0398=0AFax 312-264-0205=0Ahttp://www.emergingthreats.net=0A-------------=
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