[107976] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gadi Evron)
Sun Sep 21 18:22:59 2008
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 17:22:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: Gadi Evron <ge@linuxbox.org>
To: Russell Mitchell <russm2k8@yahoo.com>
In-Reply-To: <731944.9379.qm@web45014.mail.sp1.yahoo.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
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On Sun, 21 Sep 2008, Russell Mitchell wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Andrew:
> It is truly enlightening, to say the least,=A0that you want to talk about=
all of the SBL Listings, all of the DNSBL Listings, and all of the abuse o=
n our network=A0has never had action taken.
"Don't kick someone when they are down". Okay.
I have but one question, why are you speaking to us all now, instead of=20
last week or last month?
=09Gadi.
> -----
>
> In Spamhaus' article, they did a history of more then ?350? SBL Listings =
for our company. Today, we have 6 ACTIVE Listings in the SBL. If we haven't=
acted on abuse claims, why do those numbers not match up?
>
> So, sometime over the weekend, Spamhaus listed our ONLY Upstream's /22 IP=
Block.. There's NO Evidence of any abuse from PIE for the listing.=A0How c=
an they be labeled as a SPAM or Abuse Supporter after=A0routing us for such=
a short time?=A0That's ethical, legitimate, and reasonable to you?
>
> We have ALL of our IP Space listed with Spamhaus because we have a Resell=
er named Esthost. While their customer track record may not be a straight a=
rrow, they've ALWAYS taken action on abuse we've received for machines leas=
ed to them (Just like every other customer we have!).
>
> We enacted a zero tolerance policy in light of the community delivering f=
alse information and giving false reports to news media. What did that do? =
It gave us the opportunity to cancel service on EVERY Machine that an abuse=
was reported on.
> What happened shortly after? No more reports, no more abuse.
>
> Esthost's Registrar entity, EstDomains launched a great campaign to work =
with the public and take in reports against Malware Customers, as that is w=
hat the news media was reporting was the issue. Over 20,000 Domains get sus=
pended by EstDomains in a period of about a week. Your going to come back a=
nd say, "Well Directi did it in about 2 days!". Yeah? Directi had it placed=
right on their desk! They didn't have to launch any campaign or go out and=
ask the COMMUNITY for it. The people behind those false reports on our com=
pany gave them a set of Data to allow them to act that fast.
>
> So, we see Esthost turning a corner and going out to the community with a=
n outreach program. Community is giving support for it.
> We enact a zero tolerance policy for our entire network, this isn't made =
public aside to a GOOD and TRUTHFUL Editor from TheRegister, Dan Goodin.
> We gave ourselves 1 month to see what is going to happen between the comm=
unity, and Esthost. In the final stretch of that 1 month, we get blind-side=
d by Spamhaus.
>
> So now, an apparently level-headed James Thomas brings the happenings fro=
m last night into the light, and here we are.
> All of the claims about us being the RBN, Emil being some Russian named "=
Igor", and "Atrivo" being the epicenter with such partners like InterCage. =
Did you forget? Emil has a split-personality, that's how they got their cla=
im of InterCage being partnered with Atrivo. As though they're 2 seperate e=
ntities! Good Research Matt, Jart, Garth, and all the others who've written=
about us recently!
>
> Thank you all for your time and responses. Good or bad, we're reading the=
m. Have a great day.
>
> ---
> Russell Mitchell
> InterCage, Inc. - An un-orgranized eCrime ring based out of San Francisco=
, CA.=A0We would only be so lucky!
>
>
>
>
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