[107969] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Atrivo/Intercage: NO Upstream depeer
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andrew D Kirch)
Sun Sep 21 16:49:43 2008
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2008 16:49:31 -0400
From: Andrew D Kirch <trelane@trelane.net>
To: emilkacp@yahoo.com
In-Reply-To: <784947.74534.qm@web38901.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Considering the years of abuse, DNSBL listings, ROKSO listings, further
abuse, and silence at the abuse switch, I _CERTAINLY_ would not send
Atrivo abuse reports, I would send them to the upstreams instead.
Considering the almost 40 page white paper produced last month on the
abuse from Atrivo, for me to change this practice, I would require:
* a rapid, and verifiable response from Atrivo here over some
period of time exceeding several months, and continuing thereafter,
* the clearing of SBL/ROKSO records, and
* a general reduction of abuse eminating from Atrivo.
Andrew
Emil Kacperski wrote:
> Matt,
>
> Don't believe everything you read. I have unfortunately been a target over the years
> because I rented machines to Esthost. But the stories made up are way out there.
> It's all very easy a dedicated server / customer relationship - nothing more.
>
> Never did I ignore anymore from the abuse community. Go ahead and find me
> a IP address that did any spam or anything. You won't find it, I can't remember
> the last time I got any Spamcop complaints. Not even going to mention Spamhaus
> because we all know there abuse.
>
> "We asked a handful of Intercage's most vocal critics if they sent take
> down requests to Kacperski. None said yes. "In his defense, what may
> have finally happened is that malware researchers stopped bothering to
> report" abusive sites," Eckelberry says."
>
> None said YES! That pretty much sums it all up. Maybe I could of reached out
> more, I guess that was my mistake. But it surely is impossible to deal with if
> you have to deal with people like John Reid.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Contact: Emil Kacperski
>
> Company: Intercage Inc. - Atrivo
>
> Dedicated Servers
>
> San Francisco Datacenter
>
> E-Mail: emil@intercage.com
>
> Phone: 925-550-3947
>
> ICQ: 23531098
>
>
>
>
