[107818] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Internet Traffic Begins to Bypass the U.S.
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Matthew Moyle-Croft)
Sun Sep 14 21:34:58 2008
From: Matthew Moyle-Croft <mmc@internode.com.au>
To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jean-Fran=E7ois_Mezei?= <jfmezei@vaxination.ca>
In-Reply-To: <48CDB76A.3030009@vaxination.ca>
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2008 11:04:41 +0930
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
On 15/09/2008, at 10:46 AM, Jean-Fran=E7ois Mezei wrote:
> Matthew Moyle-Croft wrote:
>
>> Most Asian providers (at least Northern Asia) use USA, Atlantic =20
>> path to
>> get to Europe. The capacity going Westt isn't that high in =20
>> comparision,
>> so the extra latency hit is well offset by the much reduced cost.
>
> I take it voice would have priority for use of the existing europe-=20
> asian
> links ?
Probably - voice is pretty small in the scheme of things (my estimate =20=
is less than 1% of used capacity out of Australia (used not lit)).
But, from Australia to Europe the difference in latency East vs West =20
may not make a LOT of difference to voice where 150ms-200ms one way =20
isn't too bad.
>
>
> When there were a number of cable cuts in middle east last year, I
> remember BBC mentioning that internet access to asia was much slowed =20=
> due
> (this was significant to those companies who had outsourced a lot of
> stuff from europe to India). I guess this would have been more of =20
> media
> hype than reality ?
I suspect it did slow it down - I was talking more Northern Asia =20
(China, Japan, Korea) than India.
Companies who relied on purchasing, corporate links between India and =20=
Europe (for example) would probably be happy to pay the premium for =20
low latency path direct, whereas IP transit providers want cheap, bulk =20=
capacity that the Northern Pacific routers offer.
>
>
>> For instance, out of Australia we have a single, old cable going West
>> out of Perth to Singapore (SEA-ME-WE3) which allows only low speed
>> circuits,
>
> Was there any thought about building cables to singapore from darwin =20=
> now
> that it has had fibre links to the rest of australia for over a =20
> decade ?
Ha! Darwin has the incumbent only. It's cheaper to go around the =20
world than from Australia to Darwin.
Perth will be the place again as there is a reasonable amount of trans-=20=
Australian capacity across the Nullabour. Although a Darwin break =20
out from such a cable would be welcome, but the small population in =20
the Northern Territory maybe doesn't make it viable unless a big =20
mining /oil drilling/gas firm wants a lot of capacity.
Hopefully the extension of the Singapore->Indonesia cable Matrix have/=20=
are building to Perth will happen in 2010/11.
Although, personally, I'd love to see a Perth-Chennai cable given =20
what's going on in India.
MMC
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Matthew Moyle-Croft Internode/Agile Peering and Core Networks
