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Re: GLBX De-Peers Intercage [Was: RE: Washington Post:

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Mon Sep 1 12:32:57 2008

To: "Steven M. Bellovin" <smb@cs.columbia.edu>
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:33:21 EDT."
	<20080901113321.666cf7aa@cs.columbia.edu>
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 12:32:46 -0400
Cc: "Laurence F. Sheldon, Jr." <LarrySheldon@cox.net>, NANOG <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org

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On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:33:21 EDT, "Steven M. Bellovin" said:
> On Mon, 01 Sep 2008 11:08:20 -0400
> Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
> 
> > a) There exist providers that are willing to take money from scum.
> > b) We won't get rid of the scum until we admit (a) is true.
> 
> I mostly agree with you -- but I get very worried about who defines
> "scum".  Consider the following cases, which I will assert are not very
> far-fetched:

For the sake of discussion, I was calling "scum" "any entity that your
morals say you shouldn't accept money from, but your accountant says
you should"....

What that makes your accountant... is another discussion entirely :)

However, I *do* agree with the problem of "scum with politico-economic
leverage"....

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