[104712] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher LILJENSTOLPE)
Fri May 23 22:48:03 2008
From: Christopher LILJENSTOLPE <cdl@asgaard.org>
To: Steve Gibbard <scg@gibbard.org>
In-Reply-To: <20080523165954.N4485@sprockets.gibbard.org>
Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 19:47:47 -0700
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
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Greetings,
I think the 0.02 take-away for this discussion is:
If you don't feel safe doing what you are doing, or being where you =20
are, then stop/leave. In almost any big city, it's really not a =20
problem - there are lots of people around and things are usually ok. =20=
However, your intuition is usually a pretty good guide. A corollary =20
is, if you are scared, even if the area is "safe" certain actors will =20=
pickup on it. Therefore, the simple act of feeling uncomfortable will =20=
probably raise the likelihood of you getting into trouble.
Unless you've lived a very sheltered life, your "intuition" will =
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usually give you warning WAY before you get into trouble. BTW - there =20=
are a lot of big cities that I have no concerns walking alone in at =20
0300. However, not all cities fit in that bucket. There are also =20
places that you just don't go to even in the middle of the day.
Chris
On 23 May 2008, at 17.53, Steve Gibbard wrote:
> I hesitate to weigh in here, but my observation after several years =20=
> of doing a fair bit of traveling to a wide variety of places is =20
> this: In any big city, anywhere in the world, there will be plenty =20=
> of people ready with lectures on how "this is a big city, and is =20
> therefore a dangerous place. You need to be careful." Often, this =20
> will be repeated with escalating tones of alarm if it becomes clear =20=
> that I've been ignoring it. Sometimes the claim will be that their =20=
> city is especially dangerous, and sometimes the claim will be that =20
> it's dangerous just like any other big city. Sometimes it takes on =20
> the form of "this is a really safe city, but don't go out at =20
> night." It doesn't matter. Some cities really are dangerous, and =20
> some seem quite safe, but there's no quantifiable difference between =20=
> lectures received in places that really are dangerous and places =20
> that aren't.
>
> -Steve
>
> On Fri, 23 May 2008, Paul Stewart wrote:
>
>> A lot of it is common sense - New York is a GREAT city .. no question
>> and very safe overall. But common sense will tell you not to take a
>> leisure walk through Harlem at 3AM .. having said that, I've walked
>> through Central Park (65th St.) at various times of the night and =20
>> never
>> had a problem, but then again that's different too...
>>
>> Travel in herds and mind your own business - don't travel at 3AM (on
>> foot) and you'll be fine..;) That really goes for any city when you
>> think about it...
>>
>> Take care,
>>
>> Paul
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex Rubenstein [mailto:alex@corp.nac.net]
>> Sent: Thursday, May 22, 2008 5:06 PM
>> To: Rod Beck; David Diaz; Martin Hannigan
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org
>> Subject: RE: Hauling gear around a NANOG meeting
>>
>>> I hate to break the news to the New York bashers, but New York is =20=
>>> one
>> of
>>> the safest American cities. This is not a controversial statement.
>>
>> While I generally agree with what Rod is saying, saying "NYC is =20
>> safe" is
>> like saying "all routers are cisco"
>>
>> There are safe areas, and there are not safe areas. I don't know =20
>> how the
>> Brooklyn side of the Brooklyn bridge rates, but I don't think I'd be
>> overly concerned. And, since people going to NANOG tend to have a
>> herding instinct, there shouldn't be a problem.
>>
>>
>>> New York has a lower incidence of crime than Miami, Detroit, =20
>>> Seattle,
>>> Los Vegas, Houston, Atlanta, DC, Los Angeles, and Philadelphia.
>>
>> Yes, but in at least most of those locations, my Florida or Utah =20
>> CCW is
>> valid.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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