[103312] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: 10GE router resource
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chris Grundemann)
Tue Mar 25 14:06:06 2008
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:59:36 -0600
From: "Chris Grundemann" <cgrundemann@gmail.com>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <399C20EA-611A-4759-9DA8-A46410ACB120@grrrrreg.net>
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Greg has laid out a great bit of information and I would like to add just
one possibility to the list of budget 10GE routers: Vyatta. According to a
recent press release from that company (
http://www.vyatta.com/about/pressreleases.php?id=51) they offer a product
that is "2 to 3X higher performance at a cost savings of more than 75
percent" when compared to Cisco's 7200. Unfortunately I have not had the
opportunity to test or use the Vyatta routers yet; I have however
successfully used other open-source Linux based routers in the past with
great success. If you are looking for a truly budget 10GE router, they may
be worth adding to the list and looking into.
On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Greg VILLAIN <nanog@grrrrreg.net> wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:23 AM, user user wrote:
> >
> > Hi everybody!
> >
> > I find myself in the market for some 10GE routers. As
> > I don't buy these everyday, I was wondering if any of
> > you guys had any good resources for evaluating
> > different vendors and models. I'm mainly thinking
> > about non-vendor resources as the vendorspeak sites
> > are not that hard to find.
> >
> > Also I'd love to hear recommendatios for "budget" 10GE
> > routers. The "budget" router would be used to hook up
> > client networks through one 10GE interface and connect
> > to different transit providers through two 10GE
> > interfaces.
> >
> > - Zed
>
> Hiya,
>
> When it comes to budget, force10 are good. I wouldn't be able to
> confirm if they're worth performance-wise.
> I'd strongly suggest Foundry, I'm a big fan of their kits, price-wise
> and performance-wise, provided you do not need rocket-science features.
> MLX/XMR models will surely do the trick perfectly.
>
> When it comes to router purchasing habits, we all tend to get
> religious...
> Bottom line is that most of the 'regular' vendors (namely Cisco,
> Juniper, Foundry, Force10, Extreme, Riverstone) implement pretty much
> the same set of features, which are all IETF/IEEE normalized, meaning
> if you don't need proprietary features (and you'll wish you don't),
> any router will be fine, the only difference will come from:
> - the chassis being non-blocking or not (i.e. backplane design)
> - the price per port
> - the operating OS
> - the feeling you'll get with the salesperson, and the reputation of
> their Support Teams.
> - vendor specific features such as Flow Sampling
> To make it simple, most vendors have an IOS like OS, except Juniper
> which has a really clever and elegant OS, but are very pricey.
> Foundry and Force10 have the cheapest price per port
> Cisco does only Netflow, Foundry & Force10 only SFlow (which is a true
> standard) and I think Juniper does JFlow
> Cisco's kits are packed with proprietary protocols (HSRP and GLBP
> instead of VRRP, their own ethernet trunking, EIGRP as their own and
> yet extremely efficient IGP, TCL scriptable CLI...) , some of them are
> really good, some are crappy, but I suggest you'd stick with IEEE/IETF
> protocol to avoid future trouble.
>
> One thing: RSTP/802-1w is very (very, very, very) not often
> interoperable between vendors who all have their own interpretation of
> the norm and can quickly turn into a nightmare.
> I'd strongly suggest try&buys if (R)STP interoperability is required,
> but I'm a little paranoid :)
>
> Greg VILLAIN
> Independant Network & Telco Architecture Consultant
>
>
>
--
"Those who do not create the future they want must endure the future they
get."
~Draper L. Kaufman, Jr.
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Greg has laid out a great bit of information and I would like to add
just one possibility to the list of budget 10GE routers: Vyatta.
According to a recent press release from that company (<a href="http://www.vyatta.com/about/pressreleases.php?id=51" target="_blank">http://www.vyatta.com/about/pressreleases.php?id=51</a>)
they offer a product that is "2 to 3X higher performance at a cost
savings of more than 75 percent" when compared to Cisco's 7200.
Unfortunately I have not had the opportunity to test or use the Vyatta
routers yet; I have however successfully used other open-source Linux
based routers in the past with great success. If you are looking for
a truly budget 10GE router, they may be worth adding to the list and
looking into.<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Mar 25, 2008 at 10:36 AM, Greg VILLAIN <<a href="mailto:nanog@grrrrreg.net">nanog@grrrrreg.net</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<br>
On Mar 24, 2008, at 10:23 AM, user user wrote:<br>
><br>
> Hi everybody!<br>
><br>
> I find myself in the market for some 10GE routers. As<br>
> I don't buy these everyday, I was wondering if any of<br>
> you guys had any good resources for evaluating<br>
> different vendors and models. I'm mainly thinking<br>
> about non-vendor resources as the vendorspeak sites<br>
> are not that hard to find.<br>
><br>
> Also I'd love to hear recommendatios for "budget" 10GE<br>
> routers. The "budget" router would be used to hook up<br>
> client networks through one 10GE interface and connect<br>
> to different transit providers through two 10GE<br>
> interfaces.<br>
><br>
> - Zed<br>
<br>
Hiya,<br>
<br>
When it comes to budget, force10 are good. I wouldn't be able to<br>
confirm if they're worth performance-wise.<br>
I'd strongly suggest Foundry, I'm a big fan of their kits, price-wise<br>
and performance-wise, provided you do not need rocket-science features.<br>
MLX/XMR models will surely do the trick perfectly.<br>
<br>
When it comes to router purchasing habits, we all tend to get<br>
religious...<br>
Bottom line is that most of the 'regular' vendors (namely Cisco,<br>
Juniper, Foundry, Force10, Extreme, Riverstone) implement pretty much<br>
the same set of features, which are all IETF/IEEE normalized, meaning<br>
if you don't need proprietary features (and you'll wish you don't),<br>
any router will be fine, the only difference will come from:<br>
- the chassis being non-blocking or not (i.e. backplane design)<br>
- the price per port<br>
- the operating OS<br>
- the feeling you'll get with the salesperson, and the reputation of<br>
their Support Teams.<br>
- vendor specific features such as Flow Sampling<br>
To make it simple, most vendors have an IOS like OS, except Juniper<br>
which has a really clever and elegant OS, but are very pricey.<br>
Foundry and Force10 have the cheapest price per port<br>
Cisco does only Netflow, Foundry & Force10 only SFlow (which is a true<br>
standard) and I think Juniper does JFlow<br>
Cisco's kits are packed with proprietary protocols (HSRP and GLBP<br>
instead of VRRP, their own ethernet trunking, EIGRP as their own and<br>
yet extremely efficient IGP, TCL scriptable CLI...) , some of them are<br>
really good, some are crappy, but I suggest you'd stick with IEEE/IETF<br>
protocol to avoid future trouble.<br>
<br>
One thing: RSTP/802-1w is very (very, very, very) not often<br>
interoperable between vendors who all have their own interpretation of<br>
the norm and can quickly turn into a nightmare.<br>
I'd strongly suggest try&buys if (R)STP interoperability is required,<br>
but I'm a little paranoid :)<br>
<font color="#888888"><br>
Greg VILLAIN<br>
Independant Network & Telco Architecture Consultant<br>
<br>
<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><br>-- <br>"Those who do not create the future they want must endure the future they get."<br>~Draper L. Kaufman, Jr.<br>--
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