[102999] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: IPv6 on SOHO routers?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (John Lee)
Wed Mar 12 17:41:34 2008
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2008 16:28:33 -0500
From: "John Lee" <John@internetassociatesllc.com>
To: <frnkblk@iname.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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If history is any guide the last Cisco boxes I worked on supported =
various flavors of SDLC and pre-SNA IBM comm, DECnet and DECnet LAT, =
IPX, Burroughs, poll select and the only protocol they do not still =
support is CorvisNet on twisted pair. Some of these protocols have not =
seen the light of day since when?
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What is a Good CCIE test without arcane SDLC, HDLC and DECnet protocol =
questions.
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Most SOHO routers use standard or proprietary silicon to do the IP stack =
or IP route assist and when the silicon is available for dual stack in =
quantity 10,000 units or more at a reasonable price the SOHO routers =
will support both.
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IMHO before Linksys was owned by Cisco, I liked Netgear because there =
code was from Bay networks and had better routing. Finally, when I =
bought the expensive $ 150.00 routers with integral VPN support that was =
neat.
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What I would like to see today is SOHO routers that do not interfere =
with 6 over 4 transport since my ISP does not offer home DSL termination =
of v6. Taking the silicon in a SOHO and adding 5 to 10 $ US in cost for =
v6 and multiple that by 5 to get a retail price of those features. Then =
offset that with the decrease in silicon size when you add both together =
with smaller size lines and transistors on the chips, I would project =
SOHO prices of 250 - 350 $ US to start with for v4 & v6 and dropping =
from there.
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John (ISDN) Lee
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Frank Bulk - iNAME
Sent: Wed 3/12/2008 4:06 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: IPv6 on SOHO routers?
Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll dare to ask.
I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course where the instructor
stated that there are SOHO routers that natively support IPv6, pointing =
to
Asia specifically.
Do Linksys, D-Link, Netgear, etc. have such software for the Asian =
markets?
Furthermore, he stated that networking equipment companies like Cisco =
will
be moving away from IPv4 in 5 years or so. This is the first time I've
heard this posited -- I had a hard believing that, but he claims it with
some authority. Anyone hear anything like this? My own opinion is that
we'll see dual-stack for at least a decade or two to come.
Frank
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any guide the last Cisco boxes I worked on supported various =
flavors of SDLC and pre-SNA IBM comm, DECnet and DECnet LAT, IPX, =
Burroughs, poll select and the only protocol they do not still =
support is CorvisNet on twisted pair. Some of these protocols have not =
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>Most SOHO routers use standard or proprietary silicon to =
do the IP stack or IP route assist and when the silicon is available for =
dual stack in quantity 10,000 units or more at a reasonable price the =
SOHO routers will support both.</DIV>=0A=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>IMHO before Linksys was owned by Cisco, I liked Netgear =
because there code was from Bay networks and had better routing. =
Finally, when I bought the expensive $ 150.00 routers with integral VPN =
support that was neat.</DIV>=0A=
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<DIV dir=3Dltr>What I would like to see today is SOHO routers that =
do not interfere with 6 over 4 transport since my ISP does not offer =
home DSL termination of v6. Taking the silicon in a SOHO and adding 5 to =
10 $ US in cost for v6 and multiple that by 5 to get a retail price of =
those features. Then offset that with the decrease in silicon size when =
you add both together with smaller size lines and transistors on =
the chips, I would project SOHO prices of 250 - 350 $ US to start =
with for v4 & v6 and dropping from there.</DIV>=0A=
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-nanog@merit.edu on =
behalf of Frank Bulk - iNAME<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wed 3/12/2008 4:06 =
PM<BR><B>To:</B> nanog@merit.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> IPv6 on SOHO =
routers?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>=0A=
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<P><FONT size=3D2>Slightly off-topic, but tangentially related that I'll =
dare to ask.<BR><BR>I'm attending an "Emerging Communications" course =
where the instructor<BR>stated that there are SOHO routers that natively =
support IPv6, pointing to<BR>Asia specifically.<BR><BR>Do Linksys, =
D-Link, Netgear, etc. have such software for the Asian =
markets?<BR><BR>Furthermore, he stated that networking equipment =
companies like Cisco will<BR>be moving away from IPv4 in 5 years or =
so. This is the first time I've<BR>heard this posited -- I had a =
hard believing that, but he claims it with<BR>some authority. =
Anyone hear anything like this? My own opinion is that<BR>we'll =
see dual-stack for at least a decade or two to =
come.<BR><BR>Frank<BR><BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>
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