[102541] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IPV4 as a Commodity for Profit
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (garrett.allen@comcast.net)
Tue Feb 19 08:01:40 2008
From: garrett.allen@comcast.net
To: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>, Per Heldal <heldal@eml.cc>
Cc: Rod Beck <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>, NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2008 12:58:52 +0000
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alternatively the economic incentive could be a dis-incentive. although the "packet tax" never quite caught on perhaps an ip address tax would?
thanks.
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From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com>
>
> Per Heldal wrote:
> > Growth is king, also in networking. How can a v4 market meet the demand
> > of an expanding global network beyond a short-lived gold-rush? A
> > price-tag may create an incentive to sell, but doesn't create more units
> > or magically solve other problems (e.g. fragmentation). Many are those
> > who look forward to a v4 market. Not to invest in in, but because will
> > be the most powerful catalyst driving the transition to v6.
> >
>
> I personally agree with all that you say, but it doesn't mean that a
> market isn't useful. In particular, can it be useful in a transition
> from IPv4 to IPv6 to those who are not in a position to easily move from
> one to the other? They would pay a premium to move based on scarcity
> already, but if there is no motivation to bring unused blocks into the
> market, then they won't show up. And that is sufficient motivation for
> a black market, a market that governments themselves couldn't play a
> constructive role in (buying OR selling).
>
> Eliot
>
>
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<DIV>alternatively the economic incentive could be a dis-incentive. although the "packet tax" never quite caught on perhaps an ip address tax would?</DIV>
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<DIV>thanks.</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> <BR><BR>> <BR>> Per Heldal wrote: <BR>> > Growth is king, also in networking. How can a v4 market meet the demand <BR>> > of an expanding global network beyond a short-lived gold-rush? A <BR>> > price-tag may create an incentive to sell, but doesn't create more units <BR>> > or magically solve other problems (e.g. fragmentation). Many are those <BR>> > who look forward to a v4 market. Not to invest in in, but because will <BR>> > be the most powerful catalyst driving the transition to v6. <BR>> > <BR>> <BR>> I personally agree with all that you say, but it doesn't mean that a <BR>> market isn't useful. In particular, can it be useful in a transition <BR>> from IPv4 to IPv6 to those who are not in a position to easily move from <BR>> one t
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other? They would pay a premium to move based on scarcity <BR>> already, but if there is no motivation to bring unused blocks into the <BR>> market, then they won't show up. And that is sufficient motivation for <BR>> a black market, a market that governments themselves couldn't play a <BR>> constructive role in (buying OR selling). <BR>> <BR>> Eliot <BR>> <BR>> </BLOCKQUOTE></body></html>
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