[101907] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner Trial
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rod Beck)
Sun Jan 20 16:59:35 2008
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 21:55:13 -0000
From: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
To: "Alex Rubenstein" <alex@corp.nac.net>,
"Taran Rampersad" <cnd@knowprose.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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In the Brave New World, the gap between the average user and the user =
whose peak demand determines upstream capacity needs, has widened.=20
So the access providers will find that their infrastructure needs =
upgrading. In particular, the backhaul will need constant upgrading. And =
of course, more peering. :)
More 10 gig waves across the Atlantic! Hahooh!
Roderick S. Beck
Director of European Sales
Hibernia Atlantic
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.=20
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com
rodbeck@erols.com
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.=20
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Alex Rubenstein
Sent: Sun 1/20/2008 8:02 PM
To: Taran Rampersad; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner =
Trial
=20
> > As long as the companies convince people that the "cap" is large
> > enough to be essentially the same as unmetered then most people
won't
> > care and will take the savings. =20
I don't agree.
When we sold boatloads of dialup in the mid to late 90's, people did not
like caps, no matter how high they were. We sold a product early on for
$20/month which gave you 240 hours/month -- that was an average of 8
hours/day. However, most users never used more than 20 to 30 minutes a
day -- but we often got told they were moving to other providers because
they were 'unlimited.'
So, we adapted.
In any event, I've been watching this thread, and I'd have to say that
going down the road of metered pricing will only cause other providers
not to do this, and then market against TW. In fact, I'd bet on it.=20
Am I the only one here who thinks that the major portion of the cost of
having a customer is *not* the bandwidth they use?
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<P><FONT SIZE=3D2>In the Brave New World, the gap between the average =
user and the user whose peak demand determines upstream capacity needs, =
has widened.<BR>
<BR>
So the access providers will find that their infrastructure needs =
upgrading. In particular, the backhaul will need constant upgrading. And =
of course, more peering. :)<BR>
<BR>
More 10 gig waves across the Atlantic! Hahooh!<BR>
<BR>
Roderick S. Beck<BR>
Director of European Sales<BR>
Hibernia Atlantic<BR>
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris<BR>
<A =
HREF=3D"http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com">http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com<=
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Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.<BR>
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.<BR>
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.<BR>
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth<BR>
rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com<BR>
rodbeck@erols.com<BR>
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' =
Albert Einstein.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
-----Original Message-----<BR>
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu on behalf of Alex Rubenstein<BR>
Sent: Sun 1/20/2008 8:02 PM<BR>
To: Taran Rampersad; nanog@merit.edu<BR>
Subject: RE: An Attempt at Economically Rational Pricing: Time Warner =
Trial<BR>
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> > As long as the companies convince people that the =
"cap" is large<BR>
> > enough to be essentially the same as unmetered then most =
people<BR>
won't<BR>
> > care and will take the savings. <BR>
<BR>
I don't agree.<BR>
<BR>
When we sold boatloads of dialup in the mid to late 90's, people did =
not<BR>
like caps, no matter how high they were. We sold a product early on =
for<BR>
$20/month which gave you 240 hours/month -- that was an average of 8<BR>
hours/day. However, most users never used more than 20 to 30 minutes =
a<BR>
day -- but we often got told they were moving to other providers =
because<BR>
they were 'unlimited.'<BR>
<BR>
So, we adapted.<BR>
<BR>
In any event, I've been watching this thread, and I'd have to say =
that<BR>
going down the road of metered pricing will only cause other =
providers<BR>
not to do this, and then market against TW. In fact, I'd bet on it.<BR>
<BR>
Am I the only one here who thinks that the major portion of the cost =
of<BR>
having a customer is *not* the bandwidth they use?<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
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