[101147] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: /48 for each and every endsite (Was: European ISP enables IPv6 for all?)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Morrow)
Wed Dec 19 14:41:23 2007
Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 11:40:32 -0800
From: "Christopher Morrow" <christopher.morrow@gmail.com>
To: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0712191340550.6604@uplift.swm.pp.se>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
On Dec 19, 2007 5:03 AM, Mikael Abrahamsson <swmike@swm.pp.se> wrote:
>
> On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Jeroen Massar wrote:
>
> > "new" as in "We already have one, but we actually didn't really know
> > what we where requesting, now we need more"
>
> We got our current block in 2000 (or earlier, I don't know for sure, but
> 2000 at the latest). So yes, we didn't know what we were doing back then.
> Then again, I'd say nobody knew back then.
>
I'd say it's fair to bet that quite a few folks in all regions pursued
ipv6 allocations more than 3-5 years ago when the policy was
essentially '/32 per provider, simply show a business plan for
providing services to 200+ customers in the next N years' (without
much in the way of planning or proof-of-planning).
> > That is exactly what it is for. Then again, if you actually had
> > *PLANNED* your address space like you are supposed to when you make a
> > request you could have already calculated how much address space you
> > really needed and then justify it to the $RIR. In case you have to go
> > back to ask the $RIR for more you already made a mistake while doing the
> > initial request...
>
> The world tends to change in 7 years. You seem to like bashing people for
> not knowing future policy and changes 7 year ahead of time, which I think
> it quite sad.
in the case of allocation policy for ipv6 things have changed
significantly in the last 2-3 years certainly. It's probably also
important to look further in the future than the current RIR policy
decision process requires. ARIN/RIPE (atleast) have a 2 year planning
horizon for LIR allocations, this isn't sufficient for ipv6 which is
supposed to last significantly longer and be as limited in
prefix/entity as possible. Some large providers are attempting to plan
5-10 years out for address policy if possible, not everyone has that
luxury, but in the end we (internet routing community) want limited
prefixes/org that means planning horizons have to be adjusted up from
2yrs to <something else>.
-Chris
