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Re: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu)
Tue Nov 27 12:28:35 2007

To: John Musbach <johnmusbach@gmail.com>
Cc: Fred Reimer <freimer@ctiusa.com>, nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:31:08 PST."
             <7e5608b50711270731y35ce576cpa8f796a0e6dbc744@mail.gmail.com>
From: Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 12:27:34 -0500
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu


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On Tue, 27 Nov 2007 07:31:08 PST, John Musbach said:

> I myself and I'm sure most others prefer net neutrality to the horrid
> alternative you're suggesting

I dunno.  I've often wished I *could* QoS some of my packets up/down so the
Linux distro ISO I'm downloading doesn't make my SSH get piggy, and I'd
certainly at least *consider* a provider that offered "NNN gig/month of
priority traffic, and unlimited scavenger-class" or similar ideas I've seen
proposed.  I'd even be OK with the provider QoS'ing the packets because the
*other* end of the connection did it (hey, you host a distro mirror, you want
to save those bandwidth charges, I can understand and will show solidarity by
playing along).

It's only when my packets get QoS'ed downward because some *third party* paid
the provider that it gets ugly and evil.

(And yes, I know there's the nasty corner cases where I'm sharing a pipe with
my next door neighbor who paid for a bigger slice of pipe.  If it was *easy*,
it would already be done rather than a big hairy policy issue.. ;)

Of course, any *sane* provider will totally ignore what I and the other 2%
lunatic fringe want, and market the plan that extracts maximum profit from
the 98% Joe Sixpack customers out there. :)


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