[100953] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fred Reimer)
Tue Nov 27 10:48:13 2007
Date: Tue, 27 Nov 2007 10:40:07 -0500
In-Reply-To: <7e5608b50711270731y35ce576cpa8f796a0e6dbc744@mail.gmail.com>
From: "Fred Reimer" <freimer@ctiusa.com>
To: "John Musbach" <johnmusbach@gmail.com>, <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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Horrid? Strong words. What's horrid about allowing an ISP to
prefer that their BGP traffic has a higher priority than end-user
traffic, so that the whole net doesn't fail when pipes are
overprescribed, or there is a virus/worm on the net? What's
horrid about allowing an end-user to decide which of its traffic
should be dropped first, if by definition some traffic HAS to be
dropped due to over-prescription?
If you think it's horrid, then I'd like some examples, because I
suspect that given certain specific scenarios you'd probably
agree with what should happen (as neutral as can possibly be
managed, and transparent).
Thanks,
Fred Reimer, CISSP, CCNP, CQS-VPN, CQS-ISS
Senior Network Engineer
Coleman Technologies, Inc.
954-298-1697
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Musbach [mailto:johnmusbach@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 10:31 AM
> To: Fred Reimer; nanog@nanog.org
> Subject: Re: Creating a crystal clear and pure Internet
>
> On Nov 27, 2007 7:18 AM, Fred Reimer <freimer@ctiusa.com>
> wrote:
> > The only discriminatory behavior that should be
> > allowed is for QoS, to treat specific types or traffic in
> a
> > different manner to give preferential treatment to
> specific
> > classifications of traffic.
>
>
> I myself and I'm sure most others prefer net neutrality to
> the horrid
> alternative you're suggesting
>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
>
> John Musbach
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