[100608] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fred Reimer)
Mon Oct 29 12:10:54 2007
Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 12:09:53 -0400
In-Reply-To: <4725D401.40006@lassitu.de>
From: "Fred Reimer" <freimer@ctiusa.com>
To: "Stefan Bethke" <stb@lassitu.de>, <michael.dillon@bt.com>
Cc: <nanog@merit.edu>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
This is a multipart message in MIME format.
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C81A24.9C049530
Content-Type: text/plain;
charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
That and the fact that an ISP would be aiding and abetting
illegal activities, in the eyes of the RIAA and MPAA. That's not
to say that technically it would not be better, but that it will
never happen due to political and legal issues, IMO.
Fred Reimer, CISSP
Senior Network Engineer
Coleman Technologies, Inc.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
Behalf Of Stefan Bethke
Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 8:37 AM
To: michael.dillon@bt.com
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
michael.dillon@bt.com schrieb:
> If P2P software relied on an ISP middlebox to mediate the
transfers,
> then each middlebox could optimize the local situation by using
a whole
> smorgasbord of tools.
Are there any examples of middleware being adopted by the market?
To me, it
looks like the clear trend is away from using ISP-provided
applications and
services, towards pure packet pushing (cf. HTTP proxies,
proprietary
information services). I'm highly sceptical that users would
want to adopt
any software that ties them more to their ISP, not less.
Stefan
------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C81A24.9C049530
Content-Type: application/x-pkcs7-signature;
name="smime.p7s"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64
Content-Disposition: attachment;
filename="smime.p7s"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------=_NextPart_000_0000_01C81A24.9C049530--
