[100491] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Dorn Hetzel)
Wed Oct 24 13:09:21 2007
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:41:12 -0400
From: "Dorn Hetzel" <dhetzel@gmail.com>
To: "Rod Beck" <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com>
Cc: "Joe Greco" <jgreco@ns.sol.net>, frnkblk@iname.com, nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <71CB284A12EDA54880FF588A8BAC0BE20117E1@ernie>
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people manage to count stuff they use when they pay for it. minutes(cell),
kwh(electricity), gallons(gas), etc.
people have managed to figure out cell phone plans where they get N minutes
included and then pay extra over that.
the only users this would affect are those that upload a lot, because noone
else should run over their "premium upload limit" and have their upload
traffic reclassified as not-high priority.
if bytes are too tiny, maybe count it in tunes, or cds, or web pages(the
mythical average web page:) ) or bananas, whatever the marketing folks can
live with. call it all a free extra premium service so noone feels bad :)
the main idea is that everyone on plan X gets premium service on their first
Y bytes/month of upload by default, but if they know more then they can mark
some traffic so it doesn't use up their premium quota but gets worse
service. if they do nothing, then all their upload is premium until they
run out of premium, which the median user never should.
On 10/24/07, Rod Beck <Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com> wrote:
>
> The vast bulk of users have no idea how many bytes they consume each
> month or the bytes generated by different applications. The schemes being
> advocated in this discussion require that the end users be Layer 3
> engineers.
>
> That might dramatically shrink you 'addressable market', not to mention
> your job market ...
>
> :)
>
> Roderick S. Beck
> Director of EMEA Sales
> Hibernia Atlantic
> 1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris
> http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com
> Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.
> Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.
> French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.
> AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth
> rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com
> rodbeck@erols.com
> ``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.''
> Albert Einstein.
>
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people manage to count stuff they use when they pay for it. minutes(cell), kwh(electricity), gallons(gas), etc.<br><br>people have managed to figure out cell phone plans where they get N minutes included and then pay extra over that.
<br><br>the only users this would affect are those that upload a lot, because noone else should run over their "premium upload limit" and have their upload traffic reclassified as not-high priority. <br><br>if bytes are too tiny, maybe count it in tunes, or cds, or web pages(the mythical average web page:) ) or bananas, whatever the marketing folks can live with. call it all a free extra premium service so noone feels bad :)
<br><br>the main idea is that everyone on plan X gets premium service on their first Y bytes/month of upload by default, but if they know more then they can mark some traffic so it doesn't use up their premium quota but gets worse service. if they do nothing, then all their upload is premium until they run out of premium, which the median user never should.
<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/24/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Rod Beck</b> <<a href="mailto:Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com">Rod.Beck@hiberniaatlantic.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<p><font size="2">The vast bulk of users have no idea how many bytes they consume each month or the bytes generated by different applications. The schemes being advocated in this discussion require that the end users be Layer 3 engineers.
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That might dramatically shrink you 'addressable market', not to mention your job market ...<br>
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:)<br>
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Roderick S. Beck<br>
Director of EMEA Sales<br>
Hibernia Atlantic<br>
1, Passage du Chantier, 75012 Paris<br>
<a href="http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://www.hiberniaatlantic.com</a><br>
Wireless: 1-212-444-8829.<br>
Landline: 33-1-4346-3209.<br>
French Wireless: 33-6-14-33-48-97.<br>
AOL Messenger: GlobalBandwidth<br>
<a href="mailto:rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">rod.beck@hiberniaatlantic.com</a><br>
<a href="mailto:rodbeck@erols.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">rodbeck@erols.com</a><br>
``Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth.'' Albert Einstein.<br>
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