[100438] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brandon Galbraith)
Tue Oct 23 11:58:24 2007
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 10:21:49 -0500
From: "Brandon Galbraith" <brandon.galbraith@gmail.com>
To: nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <20071023143418.GB62460@gweep.net>
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On 10/23/07, Joe Provo <nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net> wrote:
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> On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 01:18:01PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:
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> > On 22-okt-2007, at 18:12, Sean Donelan wrote:
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> > The problem here is that they seem to be using a sledge hammer:
> > BitTorrent is essentially left dead in the water.
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> Wrong - seeding from scratch, that is uploading without any
> download component, is being clobbered. Seeding back into the
> swarm works while one is still taking chunks down, then closes.
> Essentially, all clients into a client similar to BitTyrant
> and focuses on, as Charlie put it earlier, customers downloading
> stuff.
>
> Joe
>
If seeding from scratch is detected by an ISP/NSP, and terminated, what
happens when the Bittorrent clients evolve to detect this behavior and
continue downloading even after the total transfer is complete (in order to
permit themselves to seed). Would this unnecessary "dummy" downloading cause
a non-significant amount of network traffic?
-brandon
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<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/23/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Joe Provo</b> <<a href="mailto:nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net">nanog-post@rsuc.gweep.net</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On Tue, Oct 23, 2007 at 01:18:01PM +0200, Iljitsch van Beijnum wrote:<br>><br>> On 22-okt-2007, at 18:12, Sean Donelan wrote:<br>><br>> The problem here is that they seem to be using a sledge hammer:<br>> BitTorrent is essentially left dead in the water.
<br><br>Wrong - seeding from scratch, that is uploading without any<br>download component, is being clobbered. Seeding back into the<br>swarm works while one is still taking chunks down, then closes.<br>Essentially, all clients into a client similar to BitTyrant
<br>and focuses on, as Charlie put it earlier, customers downloading<br>stuff.<br><br>Joe<br></blockquote></div><br>If seeding from scratch is detected by an ISP/NSP, and terminated, what happens when the Bittorrent clients evolve to detect this behavior and continue downloading even after the total transfer is complete (in order to permit themselves to seed). Would this unnecessary "dummy" downloading cause a non-significant amount of network traffic?
<br><br>-brandon<br>
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