[100431] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Internet access in Japan (was Re: BitTorrent swarms have a deadly bite on broadband nets)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tom Vest)
Tue Oct 23 10:28:27 2007
In-Reply-To: <20071023132049.GB84796@ussenterprise.ufp.org>
Cc: David Andersen <dga@cs.cmu.edu>, Leo Bicknell <bicknell@ufp.org>,
nanog@merit.edu
From: Tom Vest <tvest@pch.net>
Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:01:51 +0200
To: Frank Bulk <frnkblk@iname.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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On Oct 23, 2007, at 3:20 PM, Leo Bicknell wrote:
> In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 10:20:49PM -0400,
> David Andersen wrote:
>> The Washington Post article claims that:
> [snip]
>>
>> b) Fresh new wire installed after WWII
>>
>
> I have to wonder what percentage of the population is using phone
> lines installed before WWII?
>
> I live in a suburb that didn't exist 20 years ago other than maybe
> 50 buildings around the train depot. My neighborhood did not exist
> 10 years ago, it was a cow pasture. Where's all this old cable?
>
> While I'm sure you can find some row houses in $big_city that have
> old copper I find it hard to believe that "pre WWII wire" is holding
> us back. Wasn't it Sprint back in like 1982 or 1984 made a big
> deal about their entire long haul network being converted to fiber?
>
> In a message written on Mon, Oct 22, 2007 at 09:44:34PM -0500,
> Frank Bulk wrote:
>> A lot of the MDUs and apartment buildings in Japan are doing fiber
>> to the
>> basement and then VDSL or VDSL2 in the building, or even
>> Ethernet. That's
>> how symmetrical bandwidth is possible. Considering that much of the
>> population does not live in high-rises, this doesn't easily apply
>> to the
>> U.S. population.
Ever been in an earthquake in Japan? The population density is indeed
much higher, but it's not primarily because of concentration in very
large highrises, but rather because of much smaller floorspace per
capita, and no yards to speak of.
You're mixing JP up with places like HK and KR...
TV
> While the US does not have as high a percentage in high rises, let's
> look at the part that is "in the right place".
>
> What percentage of US high rises have fiber to the basement and
> high speed Internet offered to residents? Shouldn't NYC be on par
> with Tokyo by this point? Chicago? Miami?
>
> Doesn't the same model work for low rise apartments, the kind found
> in suburbia all across the US? Why don't any of them have building
> provided services, rather relying on cable modems for ADSL all the way
> back to the CO?
>
> Why are no major us builders installing FTTH today? Greenfield should
> be the easiest, and major builders like Pulte, Centex and the like
> should be eager to offer it; but don't.
>
> --
> Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440
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