[100324] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Can P2P applications learn to play fair on networks?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brandon Galbraith)
Sun Oct 21 21:06:09 2007
Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2007 20:03:54 -0500
From: "Brandon Galbraith" <brandon.galbraith@gmail.com>
To: "Sean Donelan" <sean@donelan.com>
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.64.0710212044510.13069@clifden.donelan.com>
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
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On 10/21/07, Sean Donelan <sean@donelan.com> wrote:
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>
> On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Simon Lyall wrote:
> > So stop whinging about how bitorrent broke your happy Internet, Stop
> > putting in traffic shaping boxes that break TCP and then complaining
> > that p2p programmes don't follow the specs and adjust your pricing and
> > service to match your costs.
>
> Folks in New Zealand seem to also whine about data caps and "fair usage
> policies," I doubt changing US pricing and service is going to stop the
> whining.
>
> Those seem to discourage people from donating their bandwidth for P2P
> applications.
>
> Are there really only two extremes? Don't use it and abuse it? Will
> P2P applications really never learn to play nicely on the network?
Can last-mile providers play nicely with their customers and not continue to
offer "Unlimited" (but we really mean only as much as we say, but we're not
going to tell you the limit until you reach it) false advertising? It skews
the playing field, as well as ticks off the customer. The P2P applications
are already playing nicely. They're only using the bandwidth that has been
allocated to the customer.
-brandon
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<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/21/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Sean Donelan</b> <<a href="mailto:sean@donelan.com">sean@donelan.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Simon Lyall wrote:<br>> So stop whinging about how bitorrent broke your happy Internet, Stop<br>> putting in traffic shaping boxes that break TCP and then complaining<br>> that p2p programmes don't follow the specs and adjust your pricing and
<br>> service to match your costs.<br><br>Folks in New Zealand seem to also whine about data caps and "fair usage<br>policies," I doubt changing US pricing and service is going to stop the<br>whining.<br><br>
Those seem to discourage people from donating their bandwidth for P2P<br>applications.<br><br>Are there really only two extremes? Don't use it and abuse it? Will<br>P2P applications really never learn to play nicely on the network?
</blockquote><div><br>Can last-mile providers play nicely with their customers and not continue to offer "Unlimited" (but we really mean only as much as we say, but we're not going to tell you the limit until you reach it) false advertising? It skews the playing field, as well as ticks off the customer. The P2P applications are already playing nicely. They're only using the bandwidth that has been allocated to the customer.
<br><br>-brandon<br></div><br></div><br>
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