[100084] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Lorell Hathcock)
Tue Oct 16 01:54:01 2007
From: "Lorell Hathcock" <lorell@hathcock.org>
To: "'Jerry Dixon'" <jerry@jdixon.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <67BDB4D63C9543BE941448D7C23BF1AC@xps>
Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2007 00:47:00 -0500
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>I think the better approach is to not purchase one but to do a lease so
that the hardware stays refreshed and keeps up with technology. I'm not
sure if they've got a service model for doing the leases but >would be a
great way to go for large organizations where you can pay a fee to have them
on standby but managed by Sun or the provider and brought to disaster sites
on-demand.
That is an interesting approach.
> It would be interesting to talk to someone that has used one during a
major event to get their take on them including spin up time to bring them
online.
I hope to do so through this thread.
Lorell
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Lorell Hathcock
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:07 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center
That's the issue with these things. It seems that everyone likes the idea,
but no one wants to be the early adopters.
It was pointed out to me that Google has patented the idea, but yet Sun has
working on Project Blackbox for a couple of years. I wonder if there will
be a legal battle between the two over this.
The concept of a portable data center is seems like it could have some very
specific uses. Others?
- Military
- Geo Physical / Seismic
- Disaster Recovery
- New Media / Web 2.0
The same box could also serve these industries with the same buildings but
in a permanent location. Others?
- Telecommunications / Fiber
- Semi-Permanent Data Centers
Lorell
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Hex
Star
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Lorell Hathcock; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center
On 10/12/07, Lorell Hathcock <lorell@hathcock.org> wrote:
www.sun.com/blackbox
Has anyone seen one of these things in real life?
I hear that there's been one sighted in Houston. I would love to take a
tour.
Also, is anyone using anything like this? It seems like they would make
great fiber huts.
I also find this very interesting but don't really know of anyone who has
deployed this in their business
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:blue'>>I think the better approach is to not purchase one but =
to do a
lease so that the hardware stays refreshed and keeps up with =
technology.
I'm not sure if they've got a service model for doing the leases but =
>would
be a great way to go for large organizations where you can pay a fee to =
have
them on standby but managed by Sun or the provider and brought to =
disaster
sites on-demand. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That is an interesting approach. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>></span><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";
color:blue'> It would be interesting to talk to someone that has used =
one
during a major event to get their take on them including spin up time to =
bring
them online. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>I hope to do so through this =
thread.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'color:#1F497D'>Lorell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> owner-nanog@merit.edu
[mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Lorell Hathcock<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:07 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> nanog@merit.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data =
Center</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>That’s the issue with these things. It seems =
that
everyone likes the idea, but no one wants to be the early =
adopters.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>It was pointed out to me that Google has patented the =
idea, but
yet Sun has working on Project Blackbox for a couple of years. I =
wonder
if there will be a legal battle between the two over =
this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The concept of a portable data center is seems like it =
could
have some very specific uses. Others?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:21.75pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Military<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:21.75pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Geo
Physical / Seismic<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:21.75pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Disaster
Recovery<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:21.75pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>New
Media / Web 2.0<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>The same box could also serve these industries with the =
same
buildings but in a permanent location. =
Others?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'margin-left:21.75pt;text-indent:-.25in'><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-</span><span
style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Telecommunications
/ Fiber<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
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style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
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style=3D'font-size:7.0pt;color:#1F497D'> =
</span><span
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Verdana","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Semi-Permanent
Data Centers <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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color:#1F497D'>Lorell<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
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</b><span
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owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] <b>On Behalf Of =
</b>Hex
Star<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Lorell Hathcock; nanog@merit.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data =
Center<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dgmailquote>On 10/12/07, <b>Lorell =
Hathcock</b>
<<a href=3D"mailto:lorell@hathcock.org">lorell@hathcock.org</a>> =
wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><a href=3D"http://www.sun.com/blackbox" =
target=3D"_blank">www.sun.com/blackbox</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Has anyone seen one of these things in real life?<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>I hear that there's been one sighted in Houston. I would love =
to take
a tour.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Also, is anyone using anything like this? It seems like they =
would
make great fiber huts.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><br>
I also find this very interesting but don't really know of anyone who =
has
deployed this in their business<o:p></o:p></p>
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