[100047] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jerry Dixon)
Sat Oct 13 22:24:42 2007
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From: "Jerry Dixon" <jerry@jdixon.com>
To: "'Lorell Hathcock'" <lorell@hathcock.org>, <nanog@merit.edu>
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Date: Sat, 13 Oct 2007 22:21:49 -0400
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We've looked at these from a DHS perspective and they are a great concept.
I know Sun has had the boxes here in DC on tour and worth checking out. I
believe FEMA was in process of looking into leveraging them for disaster
command centers along with the military.
I think the better approach is to not purchase one but to do a lease so that
the hardware stays refreshed and keeps up with technology. I'm not sure if
they've got a service model for doing the leases but would be a great way to
go for large organizations where you can pay a fee to have them on standby
but managed by Sun or the provider and brought to disaster sites on-demand.
It would be interesting to talk to someone that has used one during a major
event to get their take on them including spin up time to bring them online.
Jerry
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of
Lorell Hathcock
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 6:07 PM
To: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: RE: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center
That's the issue with these things. It seems that everyone likes the idea,
but no one wants to be the early adopters.
It was pointed out to me that Google has patented the idea, but yet Sun has
working on Project Blackbox for a couple of years. I wonder if there will
be a legal battle between the two over this.
The concept of a portable data center is seems like it could have some very
specific uses. Others?
- Military
- Geo Physical / Seismic
- Disaster Recovery
- New Media / Web 2.0
The same box could also serve these industries with the same buildings but
in a permanent location. Others?
- Telecommunications / Fiber
- Semi-Permanent Data Centers
Lorell
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Hex
Star
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:49 PM
To: Lorell Hathcock; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Sun Project Blackbox / Portable Data Center
On 10/12/07, Lorell Hathcock <lorell@hathcock.org> wrote:
www.sun.com/blackbox
Has anyone seen one of these things in real life?
I hear that there's been one sighted in Houston. I would love to take a
tour.
Also, is anyone using anything like this? It seems like they would make
great fiber huts.
I also find this very interesting but don't really know of anyone who has
deployed this in their business
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<FONT face=3DTahoma size=3D2><B>From:</B> owner-nanog@merit.edu=20
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the issue with these things. It seems that everyone likes the =
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one wants to be the early adopters.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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was pointed out to me that Google has patented the idea, but yet Sun has =
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on Project Blackbox for a couple of years. I wonder if there will =
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Physical / Seismic<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] <B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Hex=20
Star<BR><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> =
Lorell=20
Hathcock; nanog@merit.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sun Project Blackbox / =
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><SPAN class=3Dgmailquote>On 10/12/07, <B>Lorell =
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<<A href=3D"mailto:lorell@hathcock.org">lorell@hathcock.org</A>>=20
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<P><A href=3D"http://www.sun.com/blackbox"=20
target=3D_blank>www.sun.com/blackbox</A><o:p></o:p></P>
<P> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Has anyone seen one of these things in real life?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>I hear that there's been one sighted in Houston. I would love =
to take a=20
tour.<o:p></o:p></P>
<P> <o:p></o:p></P>
<P>Also, is anyone using anything like this? It seems like they =
would make=20
great fiber huts.<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=3DMsoNormal><BR>I also find this very interesting but don't =
really know=20
of anyone who has deployed this in their=20
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