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Re: Affirmative action

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Doug Heimburger)
Sat Apr 28 13:42:38 2001

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To: Richard Tibbetts <tibbetts@MIT.EDU>
cc: Morgoth <morgoth@MIT.EDU>, Victoria K Anderson <vkanders@MIT.EDU>,
        mit-talk@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 28 Apr 2001 11:50:48 EDT."
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Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 13:41:39 -0400
From: Doug Heimburger <dheimbur@MIT.EDU>


> That said, I have often thought that it would be cool if MIT were a
> bit more academically challenging in certain areas. There are a couple
> of problems with this:
> 
>  - Some fields (such as course 15) don't lend themselves to such
>    "improvement". We already do it better than everyone else, its just
>    still easier than course 8.

Hey now. I wouldn't characterize Course 15 as "easier" than Course 8,
I would characterize it as "different." After all, I know plenty of
Course 8 stars would would probably (in my estimation) not do too well
in 15.761, where participation is 40% of your grade and the professor
randomly calls on folks during class -- try not doing reading and
keeping up for that one! (The TA even makes notes of who is making
"useful" comments for grading.)

As a former Course 15er, I took a lot of ribbing for being it (but
hey, I was the "Sloan Master" to many, since my Reg Day form once said
a class I was taking was restricted to Master's students). But I still
think that Course 15 is difficult in different ways from Course 8 --
try having to be articulate in class five days a week while keeping up
with activities. Other courses let you slack between problem
sets/etc. Course 15 generally doesn't.

I will agree that some (definitely not all in a big way) Course 15
classes are a joke. But putting the entire major up to such
stereotyping is as bad as some of the other insulting and
stereotypical responses on this list.

--doug

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  Doug Heimburger              dheimbur@mit.edu
  MIT Class of 2000       
  Seattle, WA

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