[2686] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: [Mit-talk] Upcoming UA Issue - Student Group Property Ownership
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Steven M Kelch)
Wed Oct 18 00:58:27 2006
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 00:57:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: Steven M Kelch <kelch@mit.edu>
To: John Hawkinson <jhawk@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0610180041260.23767@ptolomaea.mit.edu>
Cc: mit-talk@mit.edu
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My wording sucks, its late. dont misquote me. Here's a correct summary:
"A resolution that completely removed the studio from control of the Logs
would not pass. I don't understand your objection to asking them to honor
their agreement from 4 years ago."
That's my final word. Sorry for the spam.
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Steven M Kelch wrote:
> ugh, let me clarify that last email.
>
> I meant if there was a resolution to take complete control away from the
> Logs, that would be bad.
>
> jhawk, you seem to be forgetting that the initial condition on the loan,
> which was agreed to by the Logs, was that they would get the loan only if
> they allowed other groups to use the space. The purpose of the arbitration
> is to determine if that agreement is being upheld.
>
> You are quick to criticize us for not holding people accountable, and then
> when we do you seem to turn it around and say we are abusing our power...
>
> Could you please extrapolate on how you would like this to be resolved,
> keeping in mind how the Logs agreed to allow student participation and
> that this participation has not been adequate?
>
> Steve
>
>
>
> On Tue, 17 Oct 2006, John Hawkinson wrote:
>
>> Steven M Kelch <kelch@MIT.EDU> wrote on Tue, 17 Oct 2006
>> at 23:09:17 -0400 in <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0610172230450.23767@ptolomaea.mit.edu>:
>>
>>> The Logs studio is a different case than the above. The legislation that
>>> granted them the loan to build the studio stipulated that it would only be
>>> given if the Logs agreed to allow the other groups adequete studio time,
>>> because the studio would reduce the other group's space. Everyone agreed.
>>> The legislation that was just passed asks them to renegotiate that social
>>> contract. Currently groups are spending Finboard money for recording time.
>>> This is a waste of Finboard (read: student) money because the resources
>>> and the mechanism (the studio and the contract) are already in place to
>>> get this for significantly less money. By stipulating that the Finboard
>>> accounts will be frozen, then it forces positive action. No more money can
>>> be wasted needlessly because either an agreement will be reached or the
>>> money won't be there to waste.
>>
>> How is it apparent that the money is "wasted"? One assumes the recipients
>> of the money don't see it that way.
>>
>> Somehow in all of this I managed to miss the binding nature
>> of the arbitration in the bill passed:
>>
>> ...
>> | That the UA Senate shall freeze the account and future Finboard
>> | funding of any group that fails to attend this meeting; and
>> |
>> | That the facilitator shall propose a recommendation to the UA
>> | Senate; and
>> |
>> | That this recommendation, if approved by the UA Senate, shall be
>> | binding to all groups involved with the studio contract.
>>
>>
>> So, as I understand it, if the facilitator suggests that the Logs
>> should use their studio less and let other groups use it more, and the
>> UA approve the recommendation, then Logs have lost control of their
>> own resource (purchased with their own money, albeit a loan was
>> involved).
>>
>> Wow.
>>
>> That seems a flagrant abuse of the UA's powers to me, and I wonder how
>> the UA could even consider approving a bill that implies the UA has
>> the power to order a student activity to use its resources in a
>> particular way.
>>
>> (I realize that this is uncomfortably intertwined with questions
>> of space, and that the studio is complicated because it has
>> both spatial and property -based components, and the spatial ones
>> are communal space allocated by the ASA, and the property ones
>> are not).
>>
>>
>> --jhawk
>>
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