[2648] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: [Mit-talk] Upcoming UA Issue - Student Group Property Ownership
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robotica)
Tue Oct 17 12:47:20 2006
Date: Tue, 17 Oct 2006 12:46:33 -0400
From: Robotica <androidqueen@gmail.com>
To: "Alexander J Werbos" <awerbos@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62L.0610171142230.24754@dodecahedron.mit.edu>
Cc: mit-talk@mit.edu
Errors-To: mit-talk-bounces@mit.edu
mailbomb! this was accidentally in personals:
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> Student groups use MIT space and MIT money, as well
> they should. But that usage is conditional on being generally useful to
> students.
i'm an alum, so whatever, grains of salt and all, but i seriously
disagree with this statement. i get the impression that i'm not the
only one. student groups don't exist for the student population as a
whole. they exist for a certain subset of those students.
-m
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No, they don't. They are *used* by a certain subset of students. But you
cannot deny people entry without really good reason (regularly causes
serious disruption, etc.). Student groups are there for everyone. Just
because they choose not to partake doesn't mean they're any less communal
in direction.
-Alex
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they're generally *available* to all students. that doesn't make them
generally *useful* to all students. nor should they be. i mean, the
society for women engineers isn't useful to you, for example (and
might actually be able to get away without admitting you).
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> they're generally *available* to all students. that doesn't make them
> generally *useful* to all students. nor should they be.
No, of course not. Student groups serve specific purposes and not everyone
wants to do everything. But they are still there to serve everyone who is
interested. And if someone else's needs can be met with something they are
using, without impacting them too terribly, I'm all for it.
> i mean, the
> society for women engineers isn't useful to you, for example (and
> might actually be able to get away without admitting you).
I should hope not! Whatever events they are holding, I feel I should have
input as well. If that is what I want, and I am willing to join there
group. I will admit, I am not particularly concerned with the issues they
deal with. But if I were, I would want my voice heard.
If they were a private club, I wouldn't really mind being excluded. But if
they take MIT money (my money), I want to have some say in what happens.
-Alex
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(ftr, i don't know what MIT's policy on that is. personally, i agree
with you that you *should* be allowed in. i just don't know if they
do admit male members or if MIT supports that.)
> No, of course not. Student groups serve specific purposes and not everyone
> wants to do everything. But they are still there to serve everyone who is
> interested. And if someone else's needs can be met with something they are
> using, without impacting them too terribly, I'm all for it.
i would argue that they are there to serve everyone who is interested
in their activities, and that this does not extend to giving their
stuff away.
i don't think that communal property is an entirely bad idea. i just
think that it should be a new finboard category or something. "The UA
buys this." as opposed to "STudent Group A buys this." this allows
student groups access to more expensive things than they formerly
could get, for example.
crap, i meant for all of this to go to mit-talk. do you mind if i forward it?
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>> No, of course not. Student groups serve specific purposes and not everyone
>> wants to do everything. But they are still there to serve everyone who is
>> interested. And if someone else's needs can be met with something they are
>> using, without impacting them too terribly, I'm all for it.
>
> i would argue that they are there to serve everyone who is interested
> in their activities, and that this does not extend to giving their
> stuff away.
I think there is a subtle difference. I see it as student groups being
there to make undergraduate life better. And they, principally, do this by
performing their specific function. If they've got something that it would
really help another student group to use, and they cannot come to their
own amicable resolution, I think the existence of a UA process would be
useful.
> i don't think that communal property is an entirely bad idea. i just
> think that it should be a new finboard category or something. "The UA
> buys this." as opposed to "STudent Group A buys this." this allows
> student groups access to more expensive things than they formerly
> could get, for example.
I think that would be an excellent idea.
> crap, i meant for all of this to go to mit-talk. do you mind if i forward
> it?
Sure. Just try and keep it in one email. Mailman seems to suck.
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