[2612] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: [Mit-talk] Recommendations for new GIRs
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tyson C McNulty)
Mon Oct 16 22:54:54 2006
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006 22:54:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: Tyson C McNulty <tmcnulty@mit.edu>
To: Laura Nicholson <lnicks@mit.edu>
In-Reply-To: <45341417.7090806@mit.edu>
Cc: mit-talk@mit.edu, bc-talk@mit.edu, random-hall-talk@mit.edu,
ec-discuss@mit.edu, Tim Abbott <tabbott@mit.edu>
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This thread is great and all, but could someone remind me (us) what the
next point of action is if we want to voice our opinion about these
potential changes to the people in charge? A petition? A survey? It seems
like there should be something we could do besides repeatedly agree with
each other.
Because yes, it bothers me a lot.
-tysoff
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006, Laura Nicholson wrote:
> Originally, I was really pleased with summary of the HASS suggestions- I
> was glad that someone with the power to change things said, "hey guess
> what, the HASS requirements make everyone want to eat lead! We should
> fix that." However, the more I read of the actual recommendations, the
> less I liked. It seems to me that they've basically taken the concept
> of the "HASS-D," narrowed the number of choices in class and timing
> associated with it, turned them all into CIs, and then renamed them
> "foundational electives." Yuck.
>
> Of course, the most upsetting of the proposed changes is the "HASS First
> Year Experience," which in my opinion promises to make students hate the
> HASS requirements more than the current overly-complicated guidelines.
>
> Throughout the entire report, the task force promotes a theme of
> "unifying" the first year, which bothers a lot of people. While reading
> the report, I was kind of bothered by the underlying question, "Why is
> it so important to "unify" the first year?" And reading between the
> lines, I found something of an answer that in turn *really* bothered me.
>
> The report list several fundamental "themes" that comprise the
> educational philosophy of MIT, namely a persistent passion for learning,
> intellectual diversity, an innovative approach to core knowledge,
> collaborative learning, and education for responsible leadership. On
> page I-23, the report goes on to claim: "Our early consultations with
> our colleagues and students confirmed our strong initial sense that
> themes such as these are not sufficiently well communicated to MIT
> undergraduates. Ideally, the first year will begin with a dialogue
> between new students and faculty about this philosophy. More
> importantly, students must be encouraged- and given the time- to reflect
> on this philosophy and become active participants in the educational
> process throughout their tenure as undergraduates."
>
> Are they serious? With the exception of the "innovative approach to
> core knowledge" (which strikes me as some obligatory tip of the hat to
> those who think TEAL works), those were the reasons I *applied* to MIT.
> And I imagine that's true for a lot of people here. But according to
> the task force, undergraduates are unclear about MIT's educational
> philosophy, so they should be forced into cookie-cutter first year
> classes to learn how to be MIT students.
>
> Am I completely reading this wrong? Am I nitpicking about something
> weird? Or does this bother anyone else?
>
> -Laura
>
>> On Fri, 13 Oct 2006, Jessica H Lowell wrote:
>>
>>> The Task Force on the Undergraduate Educational Commons (the task force
>>> that was
>>> reforming the GIRs) released its final report today.
>>>
>>> Full Report (158 pages):
>>> http://web.mit.edu/committees/edcommons/documents/TF_FullReport.pdf
>>>
>>> Summary & Recommendations (11 pages):
>>> http://web.mit.edu/committees/edcommons/documents/TF_SumRecs.pdf
>>>
>>> There are some things I like in there, and some things I don't. I'm
>>> distressed
>>> that, despite the fact that no student that I've spoken with favored the
>>> idea
>>> (and many left comments on the feedback site to that effect), the Task
>>> Force
>>> kept in their idea of a Freshman Experience humanities class - and in
>>> general,
>>> I find the trend to regard freshmen as separate from the rest of the
>>> undergrads
>>> disturbing. For the science core, there seem to have been two proposals
>>> favored
>>> by some faction of the Task Force, and I like the one that they chose not
>>> to
>>> endorse, that would have combined their computation & engineering GIR and
>>> their
>>> project-based experience GIR and still required everyone to take, for
>>> instance,
>>> chem and bio, better.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I like the idea of more streamlined procedures for
>>> students
>>> to follow who want to study abroad, and merging the HASS distribution and
>>> CI-H
>>> requirements.
>>>
>>> What do others think?
>>>
>>> - Jessie
>>>
>
>
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