[153] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
New topic, Rape@MIT
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Nnennia Ejebe)
Sat Apr 21 17:01:23 2001
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Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:59:55 -0400
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From: Nnennia Ejebe <nnennia@MIT.EDU>
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Hey all,
You know it's time for a new topic when it's hard to figure out what people
are
arguing about.
Anyway, so I was wondering what people think about the possiblity/probability
that rape occurs on our campus.
I've heard this statistic over and over: 1 in 4 college age women are raped.
Assuming that MIT is 10x better than the rest of the population (and we
know we
are) let's make it 1 in 40. Assuming we have 4000 undergrads, wouldn't that
mean that 100 undergrads would be victims of rape at MIT!?! Just 1 is a
horrible thing, but 100 is ridiculous. How come nothing is ever reported in
the newspaper? Do the campus police have statistics? and why are those not
released to the MIT community? Considering how vocal the admin. is about
alcohol, why I haven't I ever heard anything (I'm a freshmen) so far about
rape?
I guess people who have been here longer would have some answers for me.
thanks,
Nnennia
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At 04:19 PM 4/21/01 -0400, Sourav K. Mandal wrote:
>
>"Chwanhai H Hsiung <hermyt@MIT.EDU>" wrote:
>
>> 1) How do you know what that person's <whom you are referring to> motive
is?
>
>Ms. Smith argues for egalitarianism at any cost, and thus is clearly
>employing envy as her ethical principle. I would ask Ms. Smith if she
>agrees or disagrees with the following statement: "From each according
>to his ability, to each according to his need."
>
>> 2) When did being wealthy become inherently "good"?
>
>In a laissez-faire system, wealth is created, not redistributed; in a
>mixed-economy system with a strong rule of law (i.e. the US), the same
>holds except for certain powerful special interests (e.g., retirees,
>the farm lobby) and government bureaucrats. Hence, anyone who creates
>wealth, for one's self and one's creditors/investors, is doing so by
>providing a service that people are willing to pay for. Thus, wealth
>is born of achievement, and is a Good Thing (tm).
>
>> So is asking people to be courteous and nice to other people just as
improper
>> as paying taxes? [...]
>
>It's wrong to make people "act nice," but it's not improper to prevent
>harm, committed via thievery, violence, or fraud.
>
>> [...] I'm essentially advocating stealing time and brainspace fr
>> om "innocent" people, which, as the maxim goes, is at least as valuable as
co
>> ld hard cash.
>
>Um, what do you mean? By posting this message? People can choose to
>not read, or not respond if they do. As far as I know, the IRS gets
>displeased if you politely decline to pay your taxes.
>
>> Please, do not be so vehement about someone's faults and then commit them
you
>> rself. <I know, we're all fallible, but do try to keep it to a minimum.>
>
>It's justifiable to denounce someone for faults that are real, though
>such denunciation might be counterproductive in the context of a
>multi-party discussion.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>Sourav
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<font face="Verdana">Hey all,<br>
You know it's time for a new topic when it's hard to figure out what
people are arguing about.<br>
<br>
Anyway, so I was wondering what people think about the
possiblity/probability that rape occurs on our campus.<br>
I've heard this statistic over and over: 1 in 4 college age women are
raped. Assuming that MIT is 10x better than the rest of the
population (and we know we are) let's make it 1 in 40. Assuming we
have 4000 undergrads, wouldn't that mean that 100 undergrads would be
victims of rape at MIT!?! Just 1 is a horrible thing, but 100 is
ridiculous. How come nothing is ever reported in the
newspaper? Do the campus police have statistics? and why are
those not released to the MIT community? Considering how vocal the
admin. is about alcohol, why I haven't I ever heard anything (I'm a
freshmen) so far about rape?<br>
<br>
I guess people who have been here longer would have some answers for
me.<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
Nnennia<br>
<br>
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At 04:19 PM 4/21/01 -0400, Sourav K. Mandal wrote:<br>
><br>
>"Chwanhai H Hsiung <hermyt@MIT.EDU>" wrote:<br>
><br>
>> 1) How do you know what that person's <whom you are
referring to> motive is?<br>
><br>
>Ms. Smith argues for egalitarianism at any cost, and thus is clearly
<br>
>employing envy as her ethical principle. I would ask Ms. Smith
if she <br>
>agrees or disagrees with the following statement: "From
each according <br>
>to his ability, to each according to his need."<br>
><br>
>> 2) When did being wealthy become inherently
"good"?<br>
><br>
>In a laissez-faire system, wealth is created, not redistributed; in a
<br>
>mixed-economy system with a strong rule of law (i.e. the US), the
same <br>
>holds except for certain powerful special interests (e.g., retirees,
<br>
>the farm lobby) and government bureaucrats. Hence, anyone who
creates <br>
>wealth, for one's self and one's creditors/investors, is doing so by
<br>
>providing a service that people are willing to pay for. Thus,
wealth <br>
>is born of achievement, and is a Good Thing (tm).<br>
><br>
>> So is asking people to be courteous and nice to other people
just as improper<br>
>> as paying taxes? [...]<br>
><br>
>It's wrong to make people "act nice," but it's not improper
to prevent <br>
>harm, committed via thievery, violence, or fraud.<br>
><br>
>> [...] I'm essentially advocating stealing time and brainspace
fr<br>
>> om "innocent" people, which, as the maxim goes, is at
least as valuable as co<br>
>> ld hard cash.<br>
><br>
>Um, what do you mean? By posting this message? People can
choose to <br>
>not read, or not respond if they do. As far as I know, the IRS
gets <br>
>displeased if you politely decline to pay your taxes.<br>
><br>
>> Please, do not be so vehement about someone's faults and then
commit them you<br>
>> rself. <I know, we're all fallible, but do try to keep
it to a minimum.> <br>
><br>
>It's justifiable to denounce someone for faults that are real, though
<br>
>such denunciation might be counterproductive in the context of a
<br>
>multi-party discussion.<br>
><br>
><br>
>Regards,<br>
><br>
>Sourav</font></html>
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