[1286] in Discussion of MIT-community interests
Re: The stolen beaver paws
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ryan Williams)
Fri Apr 12 03:26:20 2002
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Date: Fri, 12 Apr 2002 03:22:40 -0400
From: Ryan Williams <breath@MIT.EDU>
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I'm not one to send this type of flame to MIT-talk, but hey, the night is
ripe. Also, I'm not 2004, so I don't really come from your Millenial
demographic. But let me lecture you as an upperclassman.
Mr. Champy (if that is your real name), I find your email disturbing for
two reasons:
One, the fact that you send this out now, well after the fact and
subsequent discussion (and Tech article!), indicates that either 1) you are
behind the times and out-of-date, or 2) you are a big coward who's afraid
to stick your neck out when the shit is going down.
Secondly, I think your sentiment is quite out of line. What MIT needs more
of is exciting, creative, ballsy folks like Amal. Humping the statue was a
bold idea that will go down in the annals as one of the classic hacks on
Harvard. Did you even read the story? I'm proud to be associated with
such a hardy-hearted crew of friends. I'll be talking about it for years,
so will Amal, and you guys (2004) can feel proud that a member of your
class was willing to go out on a limb for his school pride. And for all
that you say it wasn't "cleaver", I can't really say I've heard of you
doing anything interesting at all.
And you claim he shouldn't have done it because he was risking a "valuable
item"? Please. You'd have us all sitting in front of the TV for our
entertainment, I suppose. No chance of costing money there! Did you know
you have a 1 in 40,000 chance of dying by falling out of bed? Better sleep
on the floor to be safe!
Life without risk is really no life at all. I don't see how you could call
yourself an achiever and not know that.
I hear you saying "that money should be spent on ME!" I think it will be
spent on you, little as I like the idea of you getting any benefit out of
this. Your class officers have intelligence enough to see that value comes
in more forms than free food, my friend. Amal did that stunt for you, his
class. Even if the Class of 2004 was paying the full $650 from Institute
funds (which they are not as I understand), I'd feel it was perfectly in
line. And I'm contributing to the Paw Fund as soon as I get to an ATM.
I bet if he had asked the whole class at Premiere (as you mention) they
would have said "hell, yeah!". And you would have said it too, then,
because you're a wannabe follower. Get me? Ripping on someone who's
trying to hack Harvard for your class is just poor, no matter how
successful he was.
-RYaN
At 12:22 AM 4/12/02 -0400, Adam Champy wrote:
>As a member of the class of 2004, I find it very interesting that any part
>of ringcomm's money should be spent on replacing the lost beaver paws. From
>what I read last week in the tech and in email, it seems that Amal and his
>friends, many of whom seem to be from other classes, went over to harvard
>with a costume rented by the ringcomm and did something stupid which
>doesn't seem cleaver enough to be a hack, and they ended up losing a
>valuable item. It doesn't matter if someone stole it or if they just lost
>it, when they left campus to go over to harvard, they took the
>responsibility upon themselves for the beaver suit.
> Now, to bring me back to my main point - the 2004 ringcomm should not be
>paying for this. I applaud the fact that Amal decided to try to collect the
>650 dollars on his own, but I find it wrong that in the case he will not be
>able to find 650, the money will come from that which should be spent on
>our ring delivery. That is money spent by the class of 2004 and from
>general institute funds, and it should go to the class of 2004. If someone
>had asked the entire class at the ring premiere "should I go over to
>harvard tonight with the beaver costume and hump john harvard's statue?", I
>can almost guarantee the answer would be a laughing no. The 2004 ringcomm
>money should not be spent on such a blatant disregard for personal
>responsibility to the class, and it seems wrong that it should be a
>fall-back for those who appear to lose nothing from their own failed actions.
>
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Ryan D. Williams, MIT Class of 2003
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