[5108] in APO Printshop
Re: Printshop pricing confusion
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Benazeer Noorani)
Fri Sep 14 00:50:45 2007
Date: Fri, 14 Sep 2007 00:45:43 -0400
From: "Benazeer Noorani" <benazeer@gmail.com>
Reply-To: benazeer@alum.mit.edu
To: "Mitchell E Berger" <mitchb@mit.edu>
Cc: tower@alum.mit.edu, jtu@mit.edu, apo-printshop-journeyman@mit.edu,
apo-printshop-operators@mit.edu
In-Reply-To: <200709140425.l8E4PTWZ022770@portnoy.mit.edu>
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If a crusty alum can throw in her $0.02, I don't think were "taking them"
for anything here. Operating a press costs money, and while the pressops are
somewhat shielded from that, since the APO treasurer keeps the books, that
doesn't change the fact that ink, solvents, parts, etc are expensive.
And just to make sure I understand, we're talking about a difference of $6
between the correct fee structure and one in which the numbering machine
doesn't count as another setup, right? That's less than two cents/impression
(or three hundred emails from crusty alums!). That is a very small amount of
money, even for poor starving college students.
Has someone on LSC exec told you that our printshop is too expensive?
Because honestly, for the quality we produce, the amount we charge is
ridiculously low, and I'm having a hard time seeing our setup fees being a
total dealbreaker. I mean, I've seen things come off our press that are just
as good as samples from professional shops, where a five hundred card run
can cost $500.
YiLFS
Benazeer
On 9/14/07, Mitchell E Berger <mitchb@mit.edu> wrote:
>
> My feelings about how reasonable the number of setups we count for this
> job is aside, we're not going to change the prices between now and when
> LSC needs cards, and this does answer my questions, so I've explained
> the pricing structure to the relevant LSC folks.
>
> As to Len's question about LSC membership cards, I don't remember the
> last time we printed them, and I forgot to look again when I was in the
> office, but it was years ago, and as I said in my original e-mail here,
> they've been printing those cards themselves on their own press or on
> a laser printer and copier, 6-up, for years, and it's probably cheaper
> for them to continue doing it. The one real thing we have going for us
> if we're going to take them for 6 setup fees for that small number of
> cards is that we can print on Jersey cards instead of the thinner flimsy
> stock they use for membership cards these days.
>
> Mitch
>
> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Leonard H. Tower Jr. <tower@alum.MIT.EDU>
> >
> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT)
> > From: Jennifer Tu <jtu@MIT.EDU>
> >
> > Len -- out of curiosity, what *is* the correct charge for this job?
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:21:17 -0400
> > > From: Mitchell E Berger <mitchb@MIT.EDU>
> > >
> > > The binder claims:
> > >
> > > Press use: $3.00 setup* + $0.10 per 100 impressions
> > > * Each color ink, each numbering run, and each perforator run is
> a
> > > setup and an impression.
> >
> > jtu et al:
> >
> > With these current rates, and assuming 500 Multipasses, 2 colors, 1
> > numbering machine used**.
> >
> > 3 setups @ $3.00 = $ 9.00
> > 1500 impressions @ $0.10/100 impression = 1.50
> >
> > for a total of $ 11.50 plus the cost of the card stock, if AX provides
> > the card stock, which is what's happened in the past. I don't
> > remember what the shop is charging for cards stock right now.
> >
> > Double that, if there are also 500 Munchicards, 2 colors, 1 numbering
> > machine used.
>
> > yiLFS -len
> >
> > **i don't rmember a job where two numbering machines were used, but it
> > did get discussed, and the consensue at the time, was that it would
> > be an additional setup/impresssions charge for each machine used.
> >
>
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If a crusty alum can throw in her $0.02, I don't think were "taking
them" for anything here. Operating a press costs money, and while the
pressops are somewhat shielded from that, since the APO treasurer keeps
the books, that doesn't change the fact that ink, solvents, parts, etc
are expensive. <br>
<br>
And just to make sure I understand, we're talking about a difference of
$6 between the correct fee structure and one in which the numbering
machine doesn't count as another setup, right? That's less than two
cents/impression (or three hundred emails from crusty alums!). That is
a very small amount of money, even for poor
starving college students. <br>
<br>
Has someone on LSC exec told you that our
printshop is too expensive? Because honestly, for the
quality we produce, the amount we charge is ridiculously low, and I'm
having a hard time seeing our setup fees being a total dealbreaker. I mean,
I've seen things come off our press that are just as good as samples from
professional shops, where a five hundred card run can cost $500. <br><br>
YiLFS<br>
<br>
Benazeer<br>
<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 9/14/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">Mitchell E Berger</b> <<a href="mailto:mitchb@mit.edu">mitchb@mit.edu</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
My feelings about how reasonable the number of setups we count for this<br>job is aside, we're not going to change the prices between now and when<br>LSC needs cards, and this does answer my questions, so I've explained
<br>the pricing structure to the relevant LSC folks.<br><br>As to Len's question about LSC membership cards, I don't remember the<br>last time we printed them, and I forgot to look again when I was in the<br>office, but it was years ago, and as I said in my original e-mail here,
<br>they've been printing those cards themselves on their own press or on<br>a laser printer and copier, 6-up, for years, and it's probably cheaper<br>for them to continue doing it. The one real thing we have going for us
<br>if we're going to take them for 6 setup fees for that small number of<br>cards is that we can print on Jersey cards instead of the thinner flimsy<br>stock they use for membership cards these days.<br><br>Mitch<br>
<br>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:35:42 -0400 (EDT)<br>> From: Leonard H. Tower Jr. <<a href="mailto:tower@alum.MIT.EDU">tower@alum.MIT.EDU</a>><br>><br>> Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 15:17:09 -0400 (EDT)<br>
> From: Jennifer Tu <<a href="mailto:jtu@MIT.EDU">jtu@MIT.EDU</a>><br>><br>> Len -- out of curiosity, what *is* the correct charge for this job?<br>><br>> > Date: Thu, 13 Sep 2007 01:21:17 -0400
<br>> > From: Mitchell E Berger <<a href="mailto:mitchb@MIT.EDU">mitchb@MIT.EDU</a>><br>> ><br>> > The binder claims:<br>> ><br>> > Press use: $3.00 setup* + $0.10 per 100 impressions
<br>> > * Each color ink, each numbering run, and each perforator run is a<br>> > setup and an impression.<br>><br>> jtu et al:<br>><br>> With these current rates, and assuming 500 Multipasses, 2 colors, 1
<br>> numbering machine used**.<br>><br>>
3 setups @
$3.00 =
$ 9.00<br>> 1500 impressions @ $0.10/100 impression = 1.50<br>><br>> for a total of $ 11.50 plus the cost of the card stock, if AX provides<br>> the card stock, which is what's happened in the past. I don't
<br>> remember what the shop is charging for cards stock right now.<br>><br>> Double that, if there are also 500 Munchicards, 2 colors, 1 numbering<br>> machine used.<br><br>> yiLFS -len<br>><br>> **i don't rmember a job where two numbering machines were used, but it
<br>> did get discussed, and the consensue at the time, was that it would<br>> be an additional setup/impresssions charge for each machine used.<br>><br></blockquote></div><br>
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