[2042] in NetBSD-Development
Re: desupporting old releases
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Jonathon Weiss)
Thu May 10 20:24:52 2001
Message-Id: <200105110024.UAA01506@speaker-for-the-dead.mit.edu>
From: Jonathon Weiss <jweiss@MIT.EDU>
To: golem@MIT.EDU
cc: linux-dev@MIT.EDU, netbsd-dev@MIT.EDU
In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 10 May 2001 17:06:52 EDT."
<200105102106.RAA08717@melbourne-city-street.mit.edu>
Date: Thu, 10 May 2001 20:24:36 -0400
> I agree with Angie: since she is providing a useful service, it would
> behoove us to give adequate warning before dropping it. Therefore, I
> submit a modified version of Richard's proposal:
>
> * Desupport Netbsd-Cruft-Athena yesterday.
Well, announcing "oh, by the way we already desupported this without
telling you" seems kinda wrong, but the fact of the matter is that we
really have stopped supporting it already, and failed to notify
people.
On the plus side, I looked at the RO volume for the srvd, and found
that it had: 158 accesses in the past day (i.e., vnode references).
Logging into granola remotely bumped that to 187, and starting emacs
bumped it to 220. This says to me that there aren't many machines
using NetBSD athena any more (at least not many active ones).
FWIW, I can think of 4 machines I know to be running the SIPB release
NetBSD athena right now (charon, lsc, lola-granola, and ampersand
(snork is running linux at this instant (and would be running an 8.3
based NetBSD athena anyway) and zsr is also running much newer
software.)) There are presumably some number of machines I don't know
about.
Since there was some curiosity about statistics, there are ~110
machines in the host table listed as PCs running NetBSD. Around a
quarter of these are fairly clearly associated with SIPB or IS people.
Obivously, the host table is always 100% up-to-date, an no one would
do things like list NetBSD as UNIX, or run NetBSD with running
NetBSD-athena. ;-)
Realisticly, I think there are fewer than 50 NetBSD-athena machines
(using the SIPB release) on campus, and if I had to guess an actual
number, I'd pick 25.
I'm not really sure what all of this means, but I guess I could live
with an announcement that NetBSD Athena is desupported effective
immediately, even if I don't like the idea.
> * Desupport Linux-Cruft-Athena 6/15/2001.
Consensus seems to be developing around this date, assuming someone
sends mail soon, I won't stand in the way of that.
Jonathon
