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Java Camp Feedback
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Randi Doeker)
Sun Jan 28 20:35:53 1996
Date: Sun, 28 Jan 1996 16:21:53 -0800
From: Randi.Doeker@Eng.Sun.COM (Randi Doeker)
To: tahmed@on.bell.ca
Cc: java-interest@java.Eng.Sun.COM
I was at the Montreal Java Camp and was surprised when I heard
attendees asking about hands-on training. It is SunService that offers
hands-on classes on Java: it's five days for about $2400. If hands-on
classes is what you are looking for, SunService will give you credit
for your $275 Camp fee. (Information about their classes was distributed
at the Camp.)
I certainly agree that there were too many people at the Camp: we are
now limiting registration to 100. (That is actually the official Camp
model but I gave in to the pleas of people who just had to attend or
....)
But I don't know how to keep out the non-programmers. (I was happy
just to keep out the high school students who wanted to attend.) The
diverse audience will continue be a challenge for the instructors.
I'll share your comments with the instructors. They've revised the
curriculum several times in the last ten days and will continue to do
so, using the feedback from the attendees.
Randi Doeker
Camp Manager
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Date: Fri, 26 Jan 1996 09:28:37 -0500 (EST)
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I went to one of those Java Camp's, my recommendation is don't
bother. The description of the camp makes it sound hands on, and this
is what most people believed it to be "you will be able to Write
a basic Java applet, write fully interactive multimedia applications..."
It was a big hall of 200 people, to see an overview of Java, which is
already available on the web. There were some people giving the instructor
a hard time because of Sun's false advertising.
First the prerequisites says "experience writing network based
apps, OO software languages, etc.." And half the people there were just
there because they heard Java is the big buzz word, and didn't know
much more then that.
And the presentation itself, 2 hours of "Why Java" type stuff.
If we didn't know about Java we wouldn't be there in the first place. And
at lunch all you heard was people complaining about the course.
It should have gone twice the speed, convering things that aren't
obvious, and they should assume that everyone knows what Java is..other
wise why would they be there.
Of all the seminars I've seen in my life, that is easily the
worst one I've ever been to.
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